My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

[ocman]

Do you prefer using Arimidex on cycle instead of Aromasin because it's non-steroidal?

[austinite]

Adex works virtually instantly, where aromasin takes over a weak to get serum levels up. Aromasin is good, but it's weaker than adex. I find adex easier to manage. That's why I prefer adex.

[fitnesstrainer]

Really informative thread. This leaves really no excuse for people to be running cycles improperly as its basically spoon fed to you how to do it here.

[humbert1234]

Hello everyone, I am planning my very first cycle and I would like to receive some critique on it, so feel free to point to anything you think I am missing. Here are my stats:
I am 31 years old male
5’9” tall
180 pounds
6 % body fat

I had been training for the last 5 years and had built a nice and lean physique but I feel I am at plateau. I have no injuries.
My goal is to add 6 to 8 pounds of lean muscle. I am posting my pics at the end.
I just got my lab work today; I will make a different post to consult you guys on that.

Here is what I am planning:

Week 1 to 12: Test E at 400 mg per week (200mg every 3.5 days)
Week 1 to 12: hCG at 500 IU per wee (250 IU every 3.5 days)
Week 1 to 12: Adex at 0.50mg every 3 days
Week 1 to 12: Finasteride (propecia) at 1.25 mg per day

PCT:

I will wait 14 days after my last shoot of test E then:

Clomid at 75/50/50/50 & Nolva at 40/20/20/20

Just to be clear here: Clomid at 75mg per day the first week and 50mg per day the other three weeks of pct. Nolva at 40mg per day the first week and 20 per day the other three weeks of the pct.
I also plan blood work at the beginning of week 7 and after my pct. I will then wait at least 18 weeks to start a second cycle.

[Unknownn]

Id like to thank you for this post. Great info.
I have a question though.

You mentioned a dosage for Arimidex, but I have aromasin.
Can you suggest a dose for that please?

I have 50 tablets at 12.5 mg...

Thank you Aust

[austinite]

Id like to thank you for this post. Great info.
I have a question though.

You mentioned a dosage for Arimidex, but I have aromasin.
Can you suggest a dose for that please?

I have 50 tablets at 12.5 mg...

Thank you Aust

Please read segment # 6 again. thanks.

[Fairdinkydi]

Thank u soo much very helpful

[ocman]

Between the Test E, hCG, Arimidex/Aromasin, Nolvadex, Clomid, and possible Raloxifene with respect to the 18 week total cylce, what do you think the strain is on a healthy liver?

Just curious, I know you don't recommend it, but what about Letrozole use on the liver?

peace

[austinite]

Just use NAC as stated for the liver.

[Little ant]

are hcg and pregnyl the same thing?

[eDubya]

Made it through 10 pages of this thread!

Thanks for keeping me from eating all this free d-Bol I got! I'll definitely be following the advice given, starting with some body fat cuts!

[MikeShlort]

jhjg

[Marzz11]

This post is amazing, and it gave me everything I needed to know!

[BrandonT]

Is there a way to print this out awesome info.

[austinite]

Is there a way to print this out awesome info.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...cle-print.html

[kelkel]

I think you're amazing to. Why haven't you called?

[Jaydenn]

Perfect read, A+++

[ocman]

Is there any concern of estrogen rebound after stopping Arimidex, if so what should be done?

thanks!

[austinite]

If you get low enough its possible. But if you PCT with Tamoxifen as suggested, that will not be an issue.

[Mezz]

So I have a question about HCG. I'm sure alot of you are familiar with Rich Piana's youtube videos. For those of you that aren't he explained (and this made sense to me) that you are supposed to run hcg with your pct and NOT during your cycle because otherwise you would be sending mixed signals to your body. Injecting synthetic versions of testosterone will temporary shut down your testes and then if you were to inject HCG with that it would be stimulating your testes to produce. To me that sounds counter productive. Why would I want my testes to produce anyways while im on a cycle? Wouldn't I be relying on the test im injecting into my body anyways? I guess I'm just confused as both sources seem like they are genuinely trying to help people yet they have very different opinions. Here's a link to the video, theres a part 1 and 2 for those who haven't seen it. Thanks, I appreciate any feedback. Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkZcuPIIvjM Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1aERGic7C8

[austinite]

So I have a question about HCG. I'm sure alot of you are familiar with Rich Piana's youtube videos. For those of you that aren't he explained (and this made sense to me) that you are supposed to run hcg with your pct and NOT during your cycle because otherwise you would be sending mixed signals to your body. Injecting synthetic versions of testosterone will temporary shut down your testes and then if you were to inject HCG with that it would be stimulating your testes to produce. To me that sounds counter productive. Why would I want my testes to produce anyways while im on a cycle? Wouldn't I be relying on the test im injecting into my body anyways? I guess I'm just confused as both sources seem like they are genuinely trying to help people yet they have very different opinions. Here's a link to the video, theres a part 1 and 2 for those who haven't seen it. Thanks, I appreciate any feedback. Part 2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkZcuPIIvjM Part 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1aERGic7C8

he is pretty clueless. Please search for the hcg thread to understand how your body works. Rich provides no real info, just random spews. Sad really.

[Mezz]

I just figured he seemed knowledgeable being that he has used PED's for over 20 years and I think we can both agree his physique is quite impressive.

[austinite]

I just figured he seemed knowledgeable being that he has used PED's for over 20 years and I think we can both agree his physique is quite impressive.

Anyone can get big, Mezz. It doesnt mean he is healthy. Far from it if you ask me. He and his coach are stuck in the 70's and they won't change their ways. Have you ever noticed that they never, ever, not once answer any questions with any intelligent dialogue? No real explanations. Just street talk. These guys really and truly have no clue how the male endocrine system works. Both of them are quite an embarrassment to the community.

I know a lot of people look up to "big guys", but that doesn't mean they are healthy and/or smart. Certainly not the case with Piana.

[Mezz]

Anyone can get big, Mezz. It doesnt mean he is healthy. Far from it if you ask me. He and his coach are stuck in the 70's and they won't change their ways. Have you ever noticed that they never, ever, not once answer any questions with any intelligent dialogue? No real explanations. Just street talk. These guys really and truly have no clue how the male endocrine system works. Both of them are quite an embarrassment to the community.
I know a lot of people look up to "big guys", but that doesn't mean they are healthy and/or smart. Certainly not the case with Piana.

This question may be off topic but you got me thinking about other "big guys", do you believe you can take the amount of drugs IFBB pro bodybuilders have to take in order to be competitive and still be healthy taking these kinds of dosages? I'm sure it varies from person to person but if you had to guess would anyone on the Olympia stage today be considered a healthy athlete? thanks

[pumping_iron86]

Two weeks before I was gonna start my first test 500 mg cycle and I injured my arm bucked off a ga dang mare this weekend. Excruciating pain on training. Just gonna focus on legs only I reckon, only thing that don't hurt to train....

[Mezz]

Two weeks before I was gonna start my first test 500 mg cycle and I injured my arm bucked off a ga dang mare this weekend. Excruciating pain on training. Just gonna focus on legs only I reckon, only thing that don't hurt to train....

Perhaps thats a sign?

[pumping_iron86]

Haha ya probably Mezz...

[samlemon]

I just want to take a moment and say that you for this thread. I just started the cycle yesterday and i am looking forward for results.

[Khazima]

I'm not sure if this is the right place to post but I didn't wanna make a new thread. Basically I'm starting my first cycle soon of just test e 500mg a week probably pin mon/thurs. With PCT as clomid/nolva and clomid on hand incase of early signs of gyno etc.

My question is what should I add for cortisol control, is it completely necessary and is hcg necessary? Also any advice would be appreciated.

[pumping_iron86]

Hey Austin can I run Clen while on this cycle to minimize adipose during bulk or is that a bad idea? Thanks

[austinite]

Hey Austin can I run Clen while on this cycle to minimize adipose during bulk or is that a bad idea? Thanks

I would avoid it if it's your first cycle. Otherwise it shouldn't be an issue. Personally I think that there are much much better options than clen, but that's a topic for another thread.

[pumping_iron86]

I would avoid it if it's your first cycle. Otherwise it shouldn't be an issue. Personally I think that there are much much better options than clen, but that's a topic for another thread.

Geez, that last sentence really struck my curiosity... I'm gonna start a thread that entitled, "Austinite can you pleeease elaborate" jk Thank you for the reply as always!

Off thread topic forgive me please. But under what category might I research these better options to cut down on adipose during cycle?

[austinite]

Supplements.

[pumping_iron86]

Cool thanks

[ocman]

What are your thoughts about doing a "pre-cycle", something like 7 or 8 week cycle at say, 300-350mg of test, then a full cycle of 12 weeks 500mg like you suggest?

peace

[austinite]

What are your thoughts about doing a "pre-cycle", something like 7 or 8 week cycle at say, 300-350mg of test, then a full cycle of 12 weeks 500mg like you suggest?

peace

I don't know what a pre-cycle is. That would be a cycle, and I don't recommend it.

[ocman]

Fair enough...that was close to a cycle that llewellyn recommended years back.

thanks!

[DrewZ]

When pinning Test Cyp Sunday AM, Wednesday PM, and HCG about 24hour prior to Test injections.

How long after these injections would be the best time to get your mid-cycle bloodwork?

Thanks,
D

[Natureboy14]

What's up folks? My wife walked past me the other day and hit me in the stomach and asked "where's the 6-pack at?". I used to play ball in college and it kind of sucks to be getting older so I've decided to try to look like I did when I was 22 one more time.

My current height and weight as of yesterday were 5'-11 1/4" without shoes
209.8 lbs at 10.4% body fat
Current bench as of yesterday is 365(2 reps)
Current squat is 525 (all I do because of lumbar issues)

I stayed away from anabolics in college due to testing but any buddies won't leave me alone about it so I'm going to try my first cycle. I'm nervous about it to start off so I don't want to stack due to not being sure about side effects. This is what I plan to do. If anybody has any input it would be greatly appreciated. What should happen running the below setup as a first cycle?

10-12 week cycle
Sustanon 250 by Steel Gear - 1000mgs 1st week front load
500mgs sustanon 250 weeks 2-7
250-500mgs sustanon 250/225-450mgs of Rip Blend by Steel Gear weeks 8-12

What do you guys think for a first and probably only cycle?

[ocman]

Well, you should try reading the entire first post in this thread, you have a ton of reading to do!

Then start a new thread, something like critique my cycle and go from there.

peace