My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

[65fastback]

Hello fellow lifters!

This is exactly what i wanted to read. Very informative. Thanks a bunch

[InternalFire]

Bump!

[Stevebeginner]

Excellent advice and easy to understand, anyone else who is new and directed to this read it properly a couple of times,
Then research around the facts if you choose to, as to not look like a dumbass asking the same questions,
Like somebody i know did

[InternalFire]

This needs to be on the top, may be real help to someone in a need of it!

[BuildingBlock]

love this sticky

[gymffiti]

Is it possible to run the suggested cycle, SubQ?

'Testosterone enanthate @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total)'

If not ... Is it even possible to get 500mg a week, SubQ? 5 shots a week?

Dosing SubQ, seems to be very different

'Be interesting to know of the options before I try IM, on my first cycle

[Mr.BB]

Is it possible to run the suggested cycle, SubQ?

'Testosterone enanthate @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total)'

If not ... Is it even possible to get 500mg a week, SubQ? 5 shots a week?

Dosing SubQ, seems to be very different

'Be interesting to know of the options before I try IM, on my first cycle

Some ppl seem to be able to use oil subq up to 0,5ml.

Oil is supposed to be injected IM, most ppl will have big painful bumps lasting 5 days trying to do so.

[gymffiti]

Some ppl seem to be able to use oil subq up to 0,5ml.

Oil is supposed to be injected IM, most ppl will have big painful bumps lasting 5 days trying to do so.

So, if I have 250mg 1ml amps and want to inject 250mg, twice a week, for a total of 500mg Test E per week ...

IM = Testosterone enanthate @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total)

or possibly

SubQ = 125mg spread over 4 injections, instead of 2?


Think I've just had a brain fart lol

[Mr.BB]

So, if I have 250mg 1ml amps and want to inject 250mg, twice a week, for a total of 500mg Test E per week ...

IM = Testosterone enanthate @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total)

or possibly

SubQ = 125mg spread over 4 injections, instead of 2?


Think I've just had a brain fart lol

How about you start a thread with your plan? It would be easier for everybody else to help.

[gymffiti]

How about you start a thread with your plan? It would be easier for everybody else to help.

Asking (hypothetically), if & how this thread's suggested cycle, could be administered SubQ. I thought it would be a waste to start a new thread

Maybe, if / when I start a first cycle, I'll experiment with SubQ and start a thread with my experiences

[rt4man]

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[pister.metrie]

Great info, alot to get my head around though...

[Scuba Greaves]

Wow. I am new here, and this was one of the first posts I read (thanks to whichever member suggested this), and you answered any and all questions that I had. THANK YOU!

[JesseRay]

Thanks for this. I think i'm going to wait a little longer before doing my second cycle.. lol.. you just scared the shit out of me

[dxtrtst]

Hi everyone,

I'm goingto start my first cycle pretty soon and wanted to get any opinions or help.

I have my nutrition going pretty well and have been lifting for a few years. It's very hard for me to break 150lbs and it's been the heaviest I've ever been while in shape. If I don't keep up with my nutrition or stop lifting, I easily drop down to 135lbs.

Here's a few stats

Age:37
Height 5'6"
Weight 148lbs
Body Fat% - 14%

Some bloodwork numbers
Test level - 520
estradiol level - 56 - didn't know to ask for the right estrogen test at the time


This is what I have so far. I haven't been able to get hcg .

First Cycle
1-12 weeks Test Cyp - 400mg/week
1-14 weeks Liquidex - 0.25mg EOD
NAC


PCT
Liquid Clomi - 75/50/50/50
LIquid Tamox - 40/20/20/20

Thanks in advance from this newb!

[Back In Black]

^^^

Source some Hcg , it's not imperative but will help with recovery, you're no spring chicken (sorry) so every bit helps.

Letro is difficult to use as a beginner, I'd suggest you get arimidex instead.

And visit our diet section. You can't break 150 because you don't eat enough. No matter how much you think you eat, it's not enough.

[dxtrtst]

Thank you Back in Black. Definitely no spring chicken haha. I'll check out the diet section.

[dxtrtst]

oh and I thought Liquidex was an Arimidex equivalent? Have I completely missed the mark on this one? There was another product from the same company that actually was called Liquid Letro which I figured was Letro? Thanks again

[The Deadlifting Dog]

oh and I thought Liquidex was an Arimidex equivalent? Have I completely missed the mark on this one? There was another product from the same company that actually was called Liquid Letro which I figured was Letro? Thanks again

Liquidex is arimidex .
Back in Black made a mistake.
Liquid Letro is indeed Letro.

[dxtrtst]

Thank you The Deadlifting Dog. now to find that hcg .....

[MKacharavaD]

[kirkjamest]

Hello all, so I tried this (Austinite's) protocol last year with mucho guidance and help from KelKel, (thank you again for that) and ended up having to stop three weeks in due to unforeseen circumstances. I did a PCT waited 6 weeks pulled BW and everything was back to baseline. Pulled BW again a few months ago, everything looked good to I decided to run this protocol again.

I am able to do blood work every three weeks which I will do. I pulled the BW two days (about 60 hours) after my 6th pin, so the last pin of the third week (if that makes sense). The blood work indicates my total testosterone is 1927 and free is 45. I am making gains very slowly, 1.9 pounds so far but the reflection in the mirror is changing. Strength increase in certain areas of the body like legs, shoulders and arms. Not much strength gain with regard to the back or the chest at all. They both look different i.e. more muscular but no strength gain.

I hired a nutritionist who actually developed the Macros, does all the shopping and the food prep so I don't have to worry about any of that. The nutritionist is also aware of my current use of AAS and took that into account. My training partner is on the same dose and protocol as me and his Total T is 2697 with a free of >50 (not sure why that wasn't measured). He weighs the same as I do but is 3" inches shorter, making more gains (6 pounds) but eats a bit dirty so he is bloating a little whereas I am not due to a lack of NaCl in my diet.

Stats:
No cycle history other than a failed attempt last year that only lasted 3 weeks.
49
5'10"
181.7 up from 179.8.
BF was 18% when I started according the calipers.
Actual Anaerobic Lifting for 3years, marathon runner prior to that
Using T-Cyp 200 mg twice a week.
1/2 Adex twice a week (too hard to break that tiny pill into fours)
250 units HCG twice a week.

So, my question is due to the overall T reading of 1927 and the free T of 45 should I up the dose?

[Rubal1985]

Hi there
I'm new on this site
I saw your post
It's amazing
I have tried few cycles in the past but wasn't serious or consistent at all.i think i started 3 cycles of enthanate in last 10 years but never did more than 4 to 5 weeks.how dumb i was.so now after long research and natural 1 year workout i am doing my first cycle of cypionate 600 mg/w stana 30 mg anavar 30 mg/pd for first 6 weeks then no more stana and anavar tabs for rest of 6 weeks.I'm feeling very good.this is mine 5th week going on
Gym 6 days a week.low carbs high protein diet.i will be doing pct after 18 days rest of nolva for 4 weeks as u mentioned above.
I always wanted to compete as my most of the mates been competing.but i think i need one more year to gain muscle and shred to 4-5% body fat
Any tips for me or anything wrong I'm doing?
Can upload pics of me and all 7 meals I'm eating
Forgot to mention I'm using animal cuts for 3 weeks on and one week off plus taking animal packs one pouch everyday. Won't forget to mention one big cheat meal every friday evening after leg day
Thaks heaps

[PTROIDE]

Can apply HCG SubQ in the same day of the testosterone ? Or it's better in different days?

[kelkel]

Can apply HCG SubQ in the same day of the testosterone? Or it's better in different days?

Same day is just fine.

[PTROIDE]

Same day is just fine.

thnks and start HCG at the first shot of testosterone ?
Anastrozole in the same day of the hcg and testo or other day no problem right ?

[kelkel]

You can start it immediately or wait a few days. Your call. If your following the "First Cycle" protocol your adex will be EOD so the days will change each week but will provide a steady stream of protection at the suggested dose due to it's half life and overlapping dosing.

[PTROIDE]

You can start it immediately or wait a few days. Your call. If your following the "First Cycle" protocol your adex will be EOD so the days will change each week but will provide a steady stream of protection at the suggested dose due to it's half life and overlapping dosing.

thanks, AI and HCG need to stop how many days before PCT? considering HCG half life averages 48-72, we need stop HCG 1 week before PCT and AI ?

[kelkel]

Run your AI right up to pct.
Stop HCG 3 days prior to pct.

[PTROIDE]

Needle's 1 1/4 for glutes is good?

[kelkel]

That's fine. 1 inch is fine if relatively lean. When you say glutes it should be high and to the side. Look at this picture and it should be just behind the Iliotibial Band. If lean you can see it if you bend your knee and tighten up a bit, then pin just behind it when relaxed. In this position you can still look down and see exactly what your doing.

[PTROIDE]

That's fine. 1 inch is fine if relatively lean. When you say glutes it should be high and to the side. Look at this picture and it should be just behind the Iliotibial Band. If lean you can see it if you bend your knee and tighten up a bit, then pin just behind it when relaxed. In this position you can still look down and see exactly what your doing.

appreciate, i'm not to lean, like 14-15%bf, so i think 1 1/4 needle's it's fine 3.16cm, i try 1" but did not shot the muscle...

[manaboi]

Very educating thank you.

[Boneslapper2002]

Great post Austinite, I have copied your post in my notes for future reference.

[Mike p]

Thank you very much!!!

[bacordov]

I just joined the forum today, thank for taking the time to write this! It is very useful.

[Jason511]

Hey all - very new member here; thanks a lot for this. I joined the site today thinking I might be close to being ready for a first cycle, and thanks to all this info, I am close - just not as close as I thought. : )

I have a decent amount of experience lifting (5-7 years), but definitely think I have a bit more to go in terms of hitting that natural plateau - maybe 10-15 lbs gross weight gain, holding body fat steady at no more than 13-15% (I'm 5'9"-5'10"). Or at least a solid 6 month attempt at getting there before I conclude I'm stuck in skinny dude purgatory : )

Anyway, once I have a chance to write up a more detailed nutrional plan, workout regimen, etc, is there a good place on the forum someone could recommend that I post it to have it critiqued ? I'd like to spend the next 6-12 months fine tuning it, learning more, and getting some first hand dos and don'ts so that when I am ready, I'm really ready.

Thanks all.

[kelkel]

Jason there are forums for both Nutrition and for Workouts and Training Q & A. Browse around and read up. You can learn a lot here!

Welcome to the forum!

[Nixter]

Great read as I'm starting my first run soon

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[Jason511]

Great; thanks - I'm fairly active on forums for other hobbies of mine, so want to respect the organization of this one ... I know how annoying it can be when people post all over the place.