My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

[kelkel]

Chris step one would be blood work to see how things look after your first effort at this.

[leanmac]

how bad of an idea would it be to extend this cycle plan to 15 or 16 weeks??

[Jerry2020]

how bad of an idea would it be to extend this cycle plan to 15 or 16 weeks??

Seems to be a bad idea. From my research and what I’ve heard myostatin production starts kicking in pretty heavily after 10-12 weeks meaning it’s killing off the extra Test you’re taking in.

Other negatives of that approach are more time on means more time off before you can start another cycle (if you’re doing things right) so if you’re like me you’ll be keen to get to a second more exciting cycle when you’ve finished seeing how you go with Test only.

Essentially, extending this cycle means you will have to wait longer for the next cycle and the law of diminishing returns will kick in before the end of the cycle. I’m sure some vets will be able to elaborate on these points. Just stick to the 12 weeks

[GearHeaded]

I agree with some of Jerry's point . if your only running test then there is no need to go past 12 weeks in most cases

couple instances where running longer then 12 weeks may be needed or beneficial
- your running long long esters like EQ and Deca
- your prepping for a show or cutting . if myostatin is unregulated after 10 weeks thats fine cause losing body fat and hardening up the muscle is the goal here, not growing.
- if you blast and cruise and not worried about hpta recovery
- if your running other 'growth factors' that can help you grow without upregulating myostatin, like HGH, insulin , IGF

[Macksno]

Hello everyone,

Frist time poster here.
It would be great to get some experienced feedback. Hopefully I’m not alone in this.

I’m 37, male, 5’7 & 78kgs. My sports experience consists of rugby, boxing, bjj and weights to suit my sports throughout my life.

I was 30 when I stopped boxing, suffered a fractured eye socket in my last fight. This with many black eyes and broken noses I have had my share of concussions.
I felt a difference in myself around 31, I describe it as my fire went out. I found it hard to pump myself up for heavy lifts, the bedroom intimacy dropped off and in general I just wasn’t my old self.
Now me changing and being more mellow is also a good thing but the other changes are not. I consulted multiple doctors on the issue. Tested my testosterone and other blood markers. Dr’s stated that the test levels were within acceptable ranges. Unfortunately I never tested my levels when I felt good, so I could not compare.
I did not go down the self medication route as I wanted kids. So I carried on, depression popped up now and again, sports dropped off and weight went up to 83kgs of fat.
I now have 2 beautiful girls. So 7 weeks ago I started a cycle.
Bolendone - 400mg/week 1-10
Test Enanthate 250mg/week 1-11
Anavar 30mg/day, week 8-13
Clomid starting at the end of week 13

The first 6 weeks have been great, really great. I felt like I remember. I just felt good within myself. The bedroom life has improved aswell.
Training, I am doing a lot of running and 2 days of weightlifting a week. I am focusing on the running.

Some issues have appeared in the last week.
1 – Little white head spots on my shoulder area and neck.
2 – Drop off in the excitement below the waist.

There are a few things I want;
I want to feel good long term, keep the fire (mood & general happiness)
I want the bedroom to stay improved.
I want to concentrate on running 80%, weights 20%.

Any feedback is appreciated.
Thank you all in advance.

[David LoPan]

Hello everyone,

Frist time poster here.
It would be great to get some experienced feedback. Hopefully I’m not alone in this.

I’m 37, male, 5’7 & 78kgs. My sports experience consists of rugby, boxing, bjj and weights to suit my sports throughout my life.

I was 30 when I stopped boxing, suffered a fractured eye socket in my last fight. This with many black eyes and broken noses I have had my share of concussions.
I felt a difference in myself around 31, I describe it as my fire went out. I found it hard to pump myself up for heavy lifts, the bedroom intimacy dropped off and in general I just wasn’t my old self.
Now me changing and being more mellow is also a good thing but the other changes are not. I consulted multiple doctors on the issue. Tested my testosterone and other blood markers. Dr’s stated that the test levels were within acceptable ranges. Unfortunately I never tested my levels when I felt good, so I could not compare.
I did not go down the self medication route as I wanted kids. So I carried on, depression popped up now and again, sports dropped off and weight went up to 83kgs of fat.
I now have 2 beautiful girls. So 7 weeks ago I started a cycle.
Bolendone - 400mg/week 1-10
Test Enanthate 250mg/week 1-11
Anavar 30mg/day, week 8-13
Clomid starting at the end of week 13

The first 6 weeks have been great, really great. I felt like I remember. I just felt good within myself. The bedroom life has improved aswell.
Training, I am doing a lot of running and 2 days of weightlifting a week. I am focusing on the running.

Some issues have appeared in the last week.
1 – Little white head spots on my shoulder area and neck.
2 – Drop off in the excitement below the waist.

There are a few things I want;
I want to feel good long term, keep the fire (mood & general happiness)
I want the bedroom to stay improved.
I want to concentrate on running 80%, weights 20%.

Any feedback is appreciated.
Thank you all in advance.

Start a new Thread in the Q & A section and you will get feedback. This is not a thread that gets a lot of attention anymore. It is more of a learning/reading thread. Welcome to the site.

[GearHeaded]

Hello everyone,

Frist time poster here.
It would be great to get some experienced feedback. Hopefully I’m not alone in this.

I’m 37, male, 5’7 & 78kgs. My sports experience consists of rugby, boxing, bjj and weights to suit my sports throughout my life.

I was 30 when I stopped boxing, suffered a fractured eye socket in my last fight. This with many black eyes and broken noses I have had my share of concussions.
I felt a difference in myself around 31, I describe it as my fire went out. I found it hard to pump myself up for heavy lifts, the bedroom intimacy dropped off and in general I just wasn’t my old self.
Now me changing and being more mellow is also a good thing but the other changes are not. I consulted multiple doctors on the issue. Tested my testosterone and other blood markers. Dr’s stated that the test levels were within acceptable ranges. Unfortunately I never tested my levels when I felt good, so I could not compare.
I did not go down the self medication route as I wanted kids. So I carried on, depression popped up now and again, sports dropped off and weight went up to 83kgs of fat.
I now have 2 beautiful girls. So 7 weeks ago I started a cycle.
Bolendone - 400mg/week 1-10
Test Enanthate 250mg/week 1-11
Anavar 30mg/day, week 8-13
Clomid starting at the end of week 13

The first 6 weeks have been great, really great. I felt like I remember. I just felt good within myself. The bedroom life has improved aswell.
Training, I am doing a lot of running and 2 days of weightlifting a week. I am focusing on the running.

Some issues have appeared in the last week.
1 – Little white head spots on my shoulder area and neck.
2 – Drop off in the excitement below the waist.

There are a few things I want;
I want to feel good long term, keep the fire (mood & general happiness)
I want the bedroom to stay improved.
I want to concentrate on running 80%, weights 20%.

Any feedback is appreciated.
Thank you all in advance.

you don't really need steroids to be in a good mood, bang your wife, and run . you just need a good mindset, a hard cock, and a pair of running shoes

[Clove1234]

I second the q and a recommendation

[Macksno]

Hey, I am a new member and just read your post. It was very informative, thanks.
I'm definitely not responsible though as I am 7 weeks into my first cycle.

Equipoise -EQ 400mg/week 1-10
Test Enanthate 250mg/week 1-11
Anavar 30mg/day, week 8-13
Clomid starting at the end of week 13

What should I do?

[kronik420]

Hey, I am a new member and just read your post. It was very informative, thanks.
I'm definitely not responsible though as I am 7 weeks into my first cycle.

Equipoise -EQ 400mg/week 1-10
Test Enanthate 250mg/week 1-11
Anavar 30mg/day, week 8-13
Clomid starting at the end of week 13

What should I do?

stop, no, and don't

[Macksno]

Thanks for replying.
Do I just stop everything immediately and start PCT or just stop?

[kelkel]

Your already 7 weeks in. Drop the var.
Find HCG immediately and run it at 250 iu's x 2 or 3 pw up to 3 days prior to pct.
Run your pct as listed in this thread. Meaning add nolva.

[Macksno]

Thanks, it’s done.

[leanmac]

I'm starting my PCT today. However, with the Nolva i purchased, it comes in 25mg capsules, so i can't dose exactly 40/20/20/20 as outlined....

what's your thoughts on dosing at 50/25/25/25 ??

Would it make any difference if i did 2x 25mg daily for the first week? one morning one night...
as for weeks 2 to 4, just take 25mg per day?

I'll be taking Clomid as suggested, 75/50/50/50

Lastly - does it matter what time of day Clomid and Nolva are taken? Before after food? etc..

[kronik420]

I'm starting my PCT today. However, with the Nolva i purchased, it comes in 25mg capsules, so i can't dose exactly 40/20/20/20 as outlined....

what's your thoughts on dosing at 50/25/25/25 ??

Would it make any difference if i did 2x 25mg daily for the first week? one morning one night...
as for weeks 2 to 4, just take 25mg per day?

I'll be taking Clomid as suggested, 75/50/50/50

Lastly - does it matter what time of day Clomid and Nolva are taken? Before after food? etc..

nolva would be fine at that dosage

i usually take it in the morning with food

[Anton93]

Hei for start Thanks for All Informațions Great stuf , And sorry for bad english .But i have a question about How using hcg The Most popular using is that u are saying But i Read in another forum about using HCG just 4 weeks At The End of a cicle for example u run 1-12 weeks test Enantat 2 weeks pause (13,14)And 4 weeks (15,16,17,18)post cicle And They Said to use hcg in Week 11,12,13,14. What u guys are saying about This ?

[leanmac]

Hei for start Thanks for All Informațions Great stuf , And sorry for bad english .But i have a question about How using hcg The Most popular using is that u are saying But i Read in another forum about using HCG just 4 weeks At The End of a cicle for example u run 1-12 weeks test Enantat 2 weeks pause (13,14)And 4 weeks (15,16,17,18)post cicle And They Said to use hcg in Week 11,12,13,14. What u guys are saying about This ?

it makes much more sense to use hCG during cycle only.

there's a whole thread dedicated to why hCG should be taken during cycle only... i cannot post the link to the thread but to find the thread, do a google search for this (copy and paste it into a google search) >>

HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only site:steroid.com

[kelkel]

Hei for start Thanks for All Informațions Great stuf , And sorry for bad english .But i have a question about How using hcg The Most popular using is that u are saying But i Read in another forum about using HCG just 4 weeks At The End of a cicle for example u run 1-12 weeks test Enantat 2 weeks pause (13,14)And 4 weeks (15,16,17,18)post cicle And They Said to use hcg in Week 11,12,13,14. What u guys are saying about This ?

Simply put, why shut down your testicals if you don't have to. You wouldn't do that with any other body part, right?

[David LoPan]

Hi guys ! Tell me hwo used this product? Link removed. I want 500 mg / 1 week 10 weeks

Do not buy that shit off of craigslist. That is Equipoise and you can find all sorts of information about it.

[Ditrih]

Do not buy that shit off of craigslist. That is Equipoise and you can find all sorts of information about it.

Bold from Spectrum Farma bad quality?

[ZoomyR6]

I am sure it has already been answered somewhere in these 30+ pages but is it still standard to start an AI from the start instead of seeing if you really need it first by keeping an eye on symptoms such as bloat, anxiety, etc...?
I have been reading more and more it is better to hold off to see if you even need it. As a TRT patient, this rule is especially true. I have seen doctors giving patients an AI to take from the start without BW confirmation that they even need it. Wreaks havoc on e2 levels.

Looking to start my first cycle soon.

[GearHeaded]

have it on hand and get blood work done mid cycle.. you'll more then likely get better results, especially if your after mass gains, from not running an AI unless its absolutely necessary (90% of the time its not)

[kelkel]

have it on hand and get blood work done mid cycle.. you'll more then likely get better results, especially if your after mass gains, from not running an AI unless its absolutely necessary (90% of the time its not)

That's a coin toss for me with guys implementing their first cycle as it kind of turns it into a guessing game for them. I'd hate for them to develop a problem later which they then have to try and rectify. And keep in mind the over-whelming majority will not get blood work done, they'll go by feel or appearance which can be quite deceptive. It may be prudent for first timers to use a minimal amount at least. For the more experienced guys I don't see an issue.

[ZoomyR6]

TBH, I won't be getting bloods pulled. I cant. My doc will know whats up and I can't order online (NY). I had to take adex 2x/wk (.25mg) at 160mg T when I was on 500mg HCG because my e2 was 130, super anxious and bloated. Since dropping hcg (even with e2 under control, I was supper anxious and unfortunately super sensitive to it), I haven't needed an AI and hoping I won't at 500mg T
Gyno comes on subtle, no? If I do happen to start getting gyno symptoms, would it be too late to start taking an AI to correct permanent damage?

Since I know the feeling of elevated e2, would it be doable to take as needed when I feel bloat or anxiety, say 2x/wk? I mean EOD is really just a starting guideline, yeah? To me, .25mg EOD can be a lot for some, no?

[ZoomyR6]

Any comments for my above post?

[likelifting]

I've been off for over a year preparing for Test only cycle and used to use Himalaya Liver Care.

Anyone have any other suggestions?

Thanks

[kelkel]

TBH, I won't be getting bloods pulled. I cant. My doc will know whats up and I can't order online (NY). I had to take adex 2x/wk (.25mg) at 160mg T when I was on 500mg HCG because my e2 was 130, super anxious and bloated. Since dropping hcg (even with e2 under control, I was supper anxious and unfortunately super sensitive to it), I haven't needed an AI and hoping I won't at 500mg T
Gyno comes on subtle, no? If I do happen to start getting gyno symptoms, would it be too late to start taking an AI to correct permanent damage?

Since I know the feeling of elevated e2, would it be doable to take as needed when I feel bloat or anxiety, say 2x/wk? I mean EOD is really just a starting guideline, yeah? To me, .25mg EOD can be a lot for some, no?

Yes, eod is just a guideline and is why BW is recommended. Knowing that you cannot pull BW on your own I think it's best you run a low dose AI at a minimum on the days you inject. Better safe than sorry.

[kelkel]

I've been off for over a year preparing for Test only cycle and used to use Himalaya Liver Care.

Anyone have any other suggestions?

Thanks

Use NAC instead.

[likelifting]

Use NAC instead.

N-acetyl cysteine (NAC) is an antioxidant that has a lot to offer anyone with a damaged liver. Although it is commonly available as an over-the-counter supplement, NAC is also used in western medicine. An antidote for liver toxicity caused by an acetaminophen overdose, NAC’s power is irrefutable.

Thanks! A quick google... sounds good.

Wasn't there a store associated with this site that sold pins and sups(albuterol)? Also bought from gpz, but wanted to buy from here if possible. Is that online store gone? I see the new site but no pins. no big deal, just wanted to stay loyal.

thx again

[leanmac]

With regards to the cycle plan:
- Week 1 to 12: Testosterone E @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total)
- Week 1 to 12: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
- Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts)

-- Arimidex @ 0.25mg EOD - does this mean every day you're not injecting Test (5 days a week), or does it mean every second day?

I see EOD referred differently around the web and i want to clarify exactly one way or another....

[Gallowmere]

With regards to the cycle plan:
- Week 1 to 12: Testosterone E @ 250 mg every 3.5 days (500mg/week total)
- Week 1 to 12: hCG @ 250 iu every 3.5 days (500 iu/week total)
- Week 1 to 14: Arimidex @ 0.25mg every other day (From day 2 up until PCT starts)

-- Arimidex @ 0.25mg EOD - does this mean every day you're not injecting Test (5 days a week), or does it mean every second day?

I see EOD referred differently around the web and i want to clarify exactly one way or another....

EOD=every other day, so once every two days.

[leanmac]

Thanks.

I was aware EOD stood for 'Every Other Day', but when speaking in context of dosing other substances, such as Test E every 3.5 days, Arimidex "Every Other Day" logically means - every other day you're not taking Test E...

If it's every 2 days, i'd have thought it'd make more sense to just say E2D? same amount of characters and it's clear cut.

Basically we're saying,
Test E every 3.5 days
Arimidex Every Other day

Every other day with relation to WHAT? lol

[kelkel]

No, EOD means:

Mon-Wed-Fri-Sun-Tue-Thu-Sat-Mon

and so on....

[enthu]

Was wondering if anyone is able to critic/improve my planned cycle?

First cycle. Age 31, 1.68m 75kg. I will be doing a medical checkup for BF and other stats, just in case. (before, during and after)

My plan:
Week 1 to 16 - Testosterone Enanthate (500mg/wk)
Week 1 to 16 - Anastrozole (1mg/week)
Week 17 and 18 - Nothing
Week 19 to 22 - Clomiphene Citrate (50/50/50/50) and Tamoxifen Citrate (40/40/20/20)

I do also have Oxandrolone in hand. Will it benefit to stack with Testosterone Enanthate ? I would also like to know if Anastrozole per week is sufficient (comes in 1mg tablets)?

Any tip is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

[GearHeaded]

Was wondering if anyone is able to critic/improve my planned cycle?

First cycle. Age 31, 1.68m 75kg. I will be doing a medical checkup for BF and other stats, just in case. (before, during and after)

My plan:
Week 1 to 16 - Testosterone Enanthate (500mg/wk)
Week 1 to 16 - Anastrozole (1mg/week)
Week 17 and 18 - Nothing
Week 19 to 22 - Clomiphene Citrate (50/50/50/50) and Tamoxifen Citrate (40/40/20/20)

I do also have Oxandrolone in hand. Will it benefit to stack with Testosterone Enanthate ? I would also like to know if Anastrozole per week is sufficient (comes in 1mg tablets)?

Any tip is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

your Anastrozole dosage should be based on what you actually need and have to take based on blood work.. not a randomly selected mg dose per week. get blood work done at 6 weeks, without using an AI to start your cycle and then assess from there.
or go by past blood work if this is not your first cycle.

having VAR "on hand" does not mean much.. why do you have it on hand? you think your going to need it ?
having said that, if you have cycle experience under your belt, VAR, if its real and you can afford it, can make almost any cycle better if used at moderate dosages. it has an affinity to SHBG and will thus free up more Test and make everything work better,, plus its not going to effect your E levels. so whatever dose of Test you take to get to the desired amount of total test and E levels your after, the VAR will not effect this . but it will provide you with more "free testosterone' and help the androgens work better.
plus at low doses its not liver toxic

[enthu]

your Anastrozole dosage should be based on what you actually need and have to take based on blood work.. not a randomly selected mg dose per week. get blood work done at 6 weeks, without using an AI to start your cycle and then assess from there.
or go by past blood work if this is not your first cycle.

having VAR "on hand" does not mean much.. why do you have it on hand? you think your going to need it ?
having said that, if you have cycle experience under your belt, VAR, if its real and you can afford it, can make almost any cycle better if used at moderate dosages. it has an affinity to SHBG and will thus free up more Test and make everything work better,, plus its not going to effect your E levels. so whatever dose of Test you take to get to the desired amount of total test and E levels your after, the VAR will not effect this . but it will provide you with more "free testosterone ' and help the androgens work better.
plus at low doses its not liver toxic

Thanks for the tip. I was reading the guide for beginner in this thread that recommended 0.25mg Anastrozole EOD so I was estimating ard 1mg per week.

I will have the blood work done before and during to ascertain my dosage throughout the cycle, again I will need to get the results and get to you on this to suggest. Specifically, what is the reading that I should look for to determine AI usage?

As for VAR, I was reading up and got to know stacking gives a better result so I got myself some VAR together. Yeap, read about it and got to know it's mild on the side effects. What is your recommended dosage in my proposed cycle?

Thank you.

[GearHeaded]

the beginner guide recommendation is very very very general and basic and does not take into account a whole host of other factors.
its basically like giving diet advice in such a general way that you say to eat protein, fats, and carbs. ok , thats great but how can I actually build a successful diet around that. sure its a start, but its in no way a dialed in protocol.

the last thing you want to do is start taking test and then take too much AI for you. your test levels will begin going up as your E levels start going down (not good) this is completely un-natural and not how the body was designed to work. as test levels go up E levels go up as well. this is what is supposed to happen. what we want is to make sure E levels do not get out of control. if they get to that range then we can use an AI to keep it in check. getting blood work at 6 weeks and judging things based on how you feel is way better then simply taking an AI for the hell of it from the start of your cycle.
This is my belief.. others may say to just take the AI and play it safe. but thats not really "safe". from my experience more guys run into problems when they start an AI from day one, then they do when they instead wait for blood work and proceed from there.

is this your first cycle ?
if so, then just hold onto the VAR. your going to grow like a weed off of the Test (and elevated levels of estrogen) and won't need the VAR, in fact you won't even feel or notice what the VAR is doing if you take it on a first cycle.

[enthu]

the beginner guide recommendation is very very very general and basic and does not take into account a whole host of other factors.
its basically like giving diet advice in such a general way that you say to eat protein, fats, and carbs. ok , thats great but how can I actually build a successful diet around that. sure its a start, but its in no way a dialed in protocol.

the last thing you want to do is start taking test and then take too much AI for you. your test levels will begin going up as your E levels start going down (not good) this is completely un-natural and not how the body was designed to work. as test levels go up E levels go up as well. this is what is supposed to happen. what we want is to make sure E levels do not get out of control. if they get to that range then we can use an AI to keep it in check. getting blood work at 6 weeks and judging things based on how you feel is way better then simply taking an AI for the hell of it from the start of your cycle.
This is my belief.. others may say to just take the AI and play it safe. but thats not really "safe". from my experience more guys run into problems when they start an AI from day one, then they do when they instead wait for blood work and proceed from there.

is this your first cycle ?
if so, then just hold onto the VAR. your going to grow like a weed off of the Test (and elevated levels of estrogen) and won't need the VAR, in fact you won't even feel or notice what the VAR is doing if you take it on a first cycle.

Thanks, GearHeaded. Yes, this is my first cycle.

I'd better stick to the basics and start of with Test E and PCT then, will be keeping the VAR for future use.

For AI, yeap, will be doing blood work along the cycle cos I am really unsure of the dosage currently. (Read alot about "bitch tits" issues lately)

Thanks for the advice! Great enlightenment.

[Unitedaloha1234]

Hello guys

My first post as well it is my first cycle,
Don’t know what I’m doing wrong.
Iam eating clean around 2100 Cal
Taking Var
Test 300 Tren 76 per week

My waight jumped from 198 to 208 in 10 days, my diet did not change, going to the gym 6 days a week.

Just started my first cycle 10 days ago, Iam i doing somthing wrong, instead of losing waight Iam gaining lots of water waight

[Rejackulous]

I'd like some more opinions to help make this clear...


As for this post on first cycle some useful info but don't more things come into play for example.. like posture for a exercise everyone is different...genetics, will, obedience, determination, budget are different. Some people are more gyno prone while others are never affected etc. Arnold he didn't have or use all that shiet out today and was perfectly built and he is still around. I am surrounded by people who don't use any estrogen blockers , hcg or even post cycle often they are regularly checked up on and are perfectly fine for now. In reality isn't it just ones lifestyle and body rather than putting other unnecessary things the body that you may not need? Doesn't it make sense to learn about your body instead of taking someone else's word? Also depends on ones attitude if your willing to risk this like I am I don't care how long I live for I just want to be happy for as long as I do. Again everyone has their own POV and if I was just starting at any age with no fucks given Id just be happy finding anything that is a reliable legit source. If your diet and training is on point you can bulk or cut on anything depending on proper structure . There are just so many factors and opinions that go into this ... imo I say just learn about yourself and do you, but would like to read other perspectives on this.