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    Quote Originally Posted by $BlackBeard View Post
    austinite Just want to express my thanks for posting this material. While I do have experience with AAS, it’s been quite a while since I’ve ran a cycle. This has been a most helpful refresher. Again, thanks!
    Most of the advice in his post is garbage. Test only cycles are a big waste of time and arimidex is going to hinder any gains you may have gotten in the first place. He should be taken out behind the shed for posting such terrible advice.

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    Ok, while not advocating death for another member, is a low dose (10mg) of Nolvadex recommended to run on a first cycle instead of Arimidex ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by $BlackBeard View Post
    Ok, while not advocating death for another member, is a low dose (10mg) of Nolvadex recommended to run on a first cycle instead of Arimidex?
    Nolva is fine. It only blocks estrogen at the receptor sites. Unlike arimidex it won’t stop aromatization from happening. Estrogen is extremely anabolic so why anyone would want to stop it is beyond me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wannabhuge14 View Post
    Nolva is fine. It only blocks estrogen at the receptor sites. Unlike arimidex it won’t stop aromatization from happening. Estrogen is extremely anabolic so why anyone would want to stop it is beyond me.
    Because people still believe correlative bullshit from the 70s-80s. To be fair though, we’re just now finally starting to see good RCTs on various estradiol mediated stuff.

    For an interesting listen, check my most recent post in the newer podcast thread. It’s about an hour and a half of Broderick Chavez, Lyle McDonald and Alex Kikkel tearing apart all of the nonsense about estrogen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallowmere View Post
    Because people still believe correlative bullshit from the 70s-80s. To be fair though, we’re just now finally starting to see good RCTs on various estradiol mediated stuff.

    For an interesting listen, check my most recent post in the newer podcast thread. It’s about an hour and a half of Broderick Chavez, Lyle McDonald and Alex Kikkel tearing apart all of the nonsense about estrogen.
    I’d be very interested to give that a listen. Can you give me a link?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wannabhuge14 View Post
    I’d be very interested to give that a listen. Can you give me a link?
    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000456583984

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    Thanks I’ll give it a listen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wannabhuge14 View Post
    Most of the advice in his post is garbage. Test only cycles are a big waste of time and arimidex is going to hinder any gains you may have gotten in the first place. He should be taken out behind the shed for posting such terrible advice.
    Austinite is bigger than you future chump. No clue where you got the audacity to insult a staff member on a thread that is 6 years old. Protocols change.


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    Windex, I agree and to your point about protocols changing - can you reference a more up-to-date info about AI on cycle? Maybe it's just to have it available or to use as needed. I have spent the last few months reading on here prior to signing up. I referenced that I have previously used AAS 18+ years ago, so I'm, somewhat getting a re-education. PCT seems mostly the same as from years ago.

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    Now that it is 2020 are there any updates on 1st cycles and pct or hcg etc etc or we still go with old thread? Looking for some up to date info. Ty again

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    Quote Originally Posted by T.W View Post
    Now that it is 2020 are there any updates on 1st cycles and pct or hcg etc etc or we still go with old thread? Looking for some up to date info. Ty again
    500mg of Test E with an AI like arimdifex from day 1 is NOT a very good cycle imo, and especially not for beginners. 9 times out of 10 guys that get on forums after their first cycle of this and they complain how shitty they feel and how crappy their cycle is going and how their libido has crashed etc.. is from running this old protocol.

    lots of more efficient and ideal ways to cycle. but really it depends on the persons situation and goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    500mg of Test E with an AI like arimdifex from day 1 is NOT a very good cycle imo, and especially not for beginners. 9 times out of 10 guys that get on forums after their first cycle of this and they complain how shitty they feel and how crappy their cycle is going and how their libido has crashed etc.. is from running this old protocol.

    lots of more efficient and ideal ways to cycle. but really it depends on the persons situation and goals.
    This.
    My first 600mg cycle, I was following all of these recs except for HcG , because my nuts never worked anyway. Lo and behold, I was feeling rough going into week two. Read around some newer info, dropped the aromasin and was feeling fantastic and getting stronger within a week.

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    Great thread! Will definitely read it carefully.
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    I've taken the many hrs needed to go from start to finish reading this.

    I am prepared to start my first cycle based on the info here, but would like to know what is the consensus as to what, if any, modification should be made to the basic cycle presented in the thread start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NCC1968 View Post
    I've taken the many hrs needed to go from start to finish reading this.

    I am prepared to start my first cycle based on the info here, but would like to know what is the consensus as to what, if any, modification should be made to the basic cycle presented in the thread start.
    Same question as NCC1968. Is there any modification to be made to the cycle presented in this thread?
    Also: what are your personal experiences? Do you always use an AI on cycle? There are studies showing it is often counterproductive.
    Thanks in advance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Introduction

    hCG is vital if you are concerned about recovery. In short, it will prevent testicular atrophy, maintain your natural testosterone production (Because steroids shut that down); thus resulting in a healthier and a more speedy recovery.
    First of all thank you for this precious thread. I've read the whole thing before posting so I hope this question hasn't been asked already.
    I'm currently running my very first cycle (just completed week 1):

    Week 1 – Week 12: Testosterone Enanthate 500 mg/week total (250 mg + 250 mg)
    Week 1 – Week 12: Arimidex 0.25 mg EOD

    Question:
    I had previously been told HcG is not at all necessary since it is a very basic light cycle. Now that I've read your post I'm not so sure anymore and I don't want to fuck it up. I've already started my cycle and can't go back in time. So the question is: if I buy the HcG now, can I start it mid-end of cycle?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    500mg of Test E with an AI like arimdifex from day 1 is NOT a very good cycle imo, and especially not for beginners. 9 times out of 10 guys that get on forums after their first cycle of this and they complain how shitty they feel and how crappy their cycle is going and how their libido has crashed etc.. is from running this old protocol.

    lots of more efficient and ideal ways to cycle. but really it depends on the persons situation and goals.
    Can you please elaborate a bit. I’ve read a lot of your posts on AI and test, which were very helpful.

    Do you feel that guys are having a bad experience because they are running AI at too high of a dose? So for example, keeping test at 500 but dropping AI to like .1 EOD? Or another reason

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Protocols change
    They sure do!In 20 years I’ve been on gear.. I’ve seen them change 20x..For me Test is my favorite compound with least sides and most gains stacked with small doses of “companion” steroids ..that’s my body..


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    Quote Originally Posted by T.W View Post
    Now that it is 2020 are there any updates on 1st cycles and pct or hcg etc etc or we still go with old thread? Looking for some up to date info. Ty again
    Wish someone answered that question too mate... This thread is gold, it's amazing cause it explains everything and it's extremely detailed, but it's from 2013 so one would assume something may have changed in the meantime in terms of protocols.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrea311 View Post
    First of all thank you for this precious thread. I've read the whole thing before posting so I hope this question hasn't been asked already.
    I'm currently running my very first cycle (just completed week 1):

    Week 1 – Week 12: Testosterone Enanthate 500 mg/week total (250 mg + 250 mg)
    Week 1 – Week 12: Arimidex 0.25 mg EOD

    Question:
    I had previously been told HcG is not at all necessary since it is a very basic light cycle. Now that I've read your post I'm not so sure anymore and I don't want to fuck it up. I've already started my cycle and can't go back in time. So the question is: if I buy the HcG now, can I start it mid-end of cycle?

    Thanks!
    I think if you’re wise you’ll use HcG. Since you’re only through week 1 I’ve read you don’t yet need HcG as you’re not yet suppressed.

    I’m on my 1st too and am using 10mg nolva ED instead of using an AI as suggested by members of the forum. At only 500mg, you may not need to crash your estrogen and if you begin with an AI you won’t be able to learn if you’re estrogen sensitive. I may consider using low dose aromasin post cycle if I can find GearHeaded’s protocol...made sense to bring estrogen down when test is at an all-time low a couple weeks after your last shot of E so that estrogen:test won’t be AS imbalanced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chark View Post
    I think if you’re wise you’ll use HcG . Since you’re only through week 1 I’ve read you don’t yet need HcG as you’re not yet suppressed.

    I’m on my 1st too and am using 10mg nolva ED instead of using an AI as suggested by members of the forum. At only 500mg, you may not need to crash your estrogen and if you begin with an AI you won’t be able to learn if you’re estrogen sensitive. I may consider using low dose aromasin post cycle if I can find GearHeaded’s protocol...made sense to bring estrogen down when test is at an all-time low a couple weeks after your last shot of E so that estrogen:test won’t be AS imbalanced.
    What cycle are you running? And did you do blood workd pre and mid cycle? Why did you decide not to take an AI?
    Guys, this way it's very difficult to decide how to proceed... Almost everybody says to take an AI and now you're saying you're using Nolva on cycle instead? I'm so confused.

    As for HcG: I'm confused about HcG too. I've read (not on this forum) that it's stupid to use HcG while on cycle because you'll just confuse your body. Why would you want to stimulate the gonads to produce testosterone if you're already injecting high doses of exogenous testosterone? The only period it's wise to use HcG is right after your last injection for the 2 weeks prior to PCT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    500mg of Test E with an AI like arimdifex from day 1 is NOT a very good cycle imo, and especially not for beginners. 9 times out of 10 guys that get on forums after their first cycle of this and they complain how shitty they feel and how crappy their cycle is going and how their libido has crashed etc.. is from running this old protocol.

    lots of more efficient and ideal ways to cycle. but really it depends on the persons situation and goals.
    I wanted to send you a PM but I can't. Can you tell me what would you recommend then and why? So you think this blueprint for 1st cycle should not be followed? Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrea311 View Post
    I wanted to send you a PM but I can't. Can you tell me what would you recommend then and why? So you think this blueprint for 1st cycle should not be followed? Thanks.
    Obviously you can wait for GearHeaded’s response, but I’m of the opinion that that 250mg/wk of test and 50mg of anavar a day is way more potent that 500mg of test, and less likely to exhibit any side effects. There are obviously some other ideas dependent on your goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrea311 View Post
    What cycle are you running? And did you do blood workd pre and mid cycle? Why did you decide not to take an AI?
    Guys, this way it's very difficult to decide how to proceed... Almost everybody says to take an AI and now you're saying you're using Nolva on cycle instead? I'm so confused.

    As for HcG: I'm confused about HcG too. I've read (not on this forum) that it's stupid to use HcG while on cycle because you'll just confuse your body. Why would you want to stimulate the gonads to produce testosterone if you're already injecting high doses of exogenous testosterone? The only period it's wise to use HcG is right after your last injection for the 2 weeks prior to PCT.
    https://forums.steroid.com/members-c...1st-cycle.html

    I’m using nolva to block estrogen at receptor sites instead of crushing estrogen via AI. Lots of benefits to test aromatizing to estrogen. AI in our 500mg/wk case is likely equivalent to cutting foot off to cure hangnail. If you plan on cycling more than once it could be beneficial to see if you even need an AI by seeing how you respond to elevated estrogen.

    With HcG there’s also more than one way people look at it. I’ve seen it like you said (stupid to use while on) where the blast method at the end is preferred and I’ve read using while on can kickstart PCT bc balls are now ready to go.

    Just sharing the protocol I’m running, could definitely change with my continued learning. Good luck man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chark View Post
    https://forums.steroid.com/members-c...1st-cycle.html..........If you plan on cycling more than once it could be beneficial to see if you even need an AI by seeing how you respond to elevated estrogen.

    With HcG there’s also more than one way people look at it. I’ve seen it like you said (stupid to use while on) where the blast method at the end is preferred and I’ve read using while on can kickstart PCT bc balls are now ready to go.
    .............
    I have everything listed at the thread start and am planning to begin my first cycle about mid Feb. I'm now thinking to just hold onto the AI in case I need it and still thinking about how to use the HcG. Hopefully I'll sort it out and feel good about it w/o delaying my start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    Obviously you can wait for GearHeaded’s response, but I’m of the opinion that that 250mg/wk of test and 50mg of anavar a day is way more potent that 500mg of test, and less likely to exhibit any side effects. There are obviously some other ideas dependent on your goals.
    Maybe you're right. I don't know. Not planning on running orals though... It's my first cycle and I need to understand how my body reacts to testosterone before stacking it with anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chark View Post
    https://forums.steroid.com/members-c...1st-cycle.html

    I’m using nolva to block estrogen at receptor sites instead of crushing estrogen via AI. Lots of benefits to test aromatizing to estrogen. AI in our 500mg/wk case is likely equivalent to cutting foot off to cure hangnail. If you plan on cycling more than once it could be beneficial to see if you even need an AI by seeing how you respond to elevated estrogen.

    With HcG there’s also more than one way people look at it. I’ve seen it like you said (stupid to use while on) where the blast method at the end is preferred and I’ve read using while on can kickstart PCT bc balls are now ready to go.

    Just sharing the protocol I’m running, could definitely change with my continued learning. Good luck man.
    Yeah, I will definitely follow your thread and see how it's going for you man!

    So you are using HcG while on after all. I think I will use it towards the end of my cycle...

    Keep us up to date and good luck to you as well man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrea311 View Post
    Yeah, I will definitely follow your thread and see how it's going for you man!

    So you are using HcG while on after all. I think I will use it towards the end of my cycle...

    Keep us up to date and good luck to you as well man.
    I can’t take any issue with your approach. I can tell by your posts that you’re going to be smart and just fine.

    Another reason I decided to run Nolva right off the rip (besides peace of mind) was that I believe I may be estrogen sensitive due to pubertal puffiness and that I was cycling with a higher BF% than what I’ve seen suggested as ideal (which will increase your chances of problems)

    Please do follow my progress! I plan to get more pics up soon, trying to add every 2 weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chark View Post
    I can’t take any issue with your approach. I can tell by your posts that you’re going to be smart and just fine.

    Another reason I decided to run Nolva right off the rip (besides peace of mind) was that I believe I may be estrogen sensitive due to pubertal puffiness and that I was cycling with a higher BF% than what I’ve seen suggested as ideal (which will increase your chances of problems)

    Please do follow my progress! I plan to get more pics up soon, trying to add every 2 weeks.
    Another quick question: how are you injecting HcG ? IM or SubQ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrea311 View Post
    Another quick question: how are you injecting HcG? IM or SubQ?
    Always SubQ with insulin pins
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    Quote Originally Posted by andrea311 View Post
    Another quick question: how are you injecting HcG? IM or SubQ?
    IM with a 1/2” slin pin
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_SLAM_cougars View Post
    IM with a 1/2” slin pin
    Together with test same injection or a separate one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrea311 View Post
    Together with test same injection or a separate one?
    You can do it together if you can measure it out. I always do mine separate. Most of my injections are done with a 3cc syringe. Makes it kinda tricky to measure out 10ius
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    Dumb question, but I have to ask.

    The AI is listed as EOD... is that “every other day” or “end of day”... obviously a huge difference so I wanted to verify

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slick88 View Post
    Dumb question, but I have to ask.

    The AI is listed as EOD... is that “every other day” or “end of day”... obviously a huge difference so I wanted to verify
    every other day

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    Learning more everyday. Thanks guys
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    I am just an old guy that continues to try to learn everyday . I do think it is sad though when youths that no matter how much they have read do not have more respect for experienced men 20 years their senior . The tone and delivery of the book learned boys over the life lived experience of real men amazes me and reinforces immaturity . I have been a member since 2012 when one of these rude youths was only 11 years old .

    Goes right back to the way they were raised and what life will teach them . I am not a knowledgeable member as they are tagged , but I do know that all men and boys are different ! All compounds affect different people in different ways and as we age the same compounds that worked amazingly well in our 30 are almost poison when we get in our 50's not to mention 60's .

    This thread was created by a very smart man and has served many very well . I started using gear in the 1979 when most of these people posting even the smart guys were not even a wet spot running down their mamma ass ! In the 70's and 80's excess was best from gear to eating and as stated earlier things especially nutrition changes so very much over a 5 year period ........ Said all that to say this .

    I know from experience it is better to keep your thoughts to yourself and people wonder if you are a DA than to spew them on this forum and all the guys here WITH KNOWLEDGE know and show that you are a DA !

    Things change but to my knowledge no one on this forum has the intent to pass out bad info ! So just possibly in the future and even this thread it would be wise to show respect especially where respect has been earned and approach things with an open mind and agree that everything is changing in this forum and in this hobby , lifestyle , way of life . We are supposed to be assisting one another not try to prove who has the biggest dick or who can be the biggest dick .

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