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    So wich one should i get? I'm meeting him at the gym in 1hr

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    You have to make that decision yourself. They aren't common brands known to us. Tested used to get good reviews but they are both UGL so it's luck of the draw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luisml1973 View Post
    So wich one should i get? I'm meeting him at the gym in 1hr

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    the second one if it was me. One ester is easier to deal with. But it's up to you really. I can't decide for you.
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    Ok cool, Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    15 to 20% is too big of a range to make a call. You should get it tested to know for sure. 15 or 16 is fine. 20% is not fine at all. No one should "Bulk" at 16 %. Should be cutting to get leaner at that stage.
    I'm new to this so I apologize if I'm completely wrong. You mentioned that no one should "bulk" at 16%, but aren't we allowed to do a "cut" using test-e since it's anti-catabolic? Most of the side effects like water retention from estrogen can be solved with an aromatase inhibitor right?

    Again, I apologize if I am completely off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noitangidni View Post
    I'm new to this so I apologize if I'm completely wrong. You mentioned that no one should "bulk" at 16%, but aren't we allowed to do a "cut" using test-e since it's anti-catabolic? Most of the side effects like water retention from estrogen can be solved with an aromatase inhibitor right?

    Again, I apologize if I am completely off.
    Water is controlled with diet and AI, yes. And yes, you can cut with testosterone .
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    I can't find Bactriostatic water anywhere in any Drug Store here in Colombia.

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    Hi Austinite, I am a female and my first use I am considering beginning with clen , I do workout regularly.
    my question is does this work for fat loss and building muscle? how much of a dosage should be used for a woman 5'9 185lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rahjah View Post
    Hi Austinite, I am a female and my first use I am considering beginning with clen , I do workout regularly.
    my question is does this work for fat loss and building muscle? how much of a dosage should be used for a woman 5'9 185lbs.
    I'm not Austinite but I'll throw my 2cents in:

    With those stats I would concentrate on diet and training first and foremost. All the clen in the world won't make you lose weight if diet isn't conducive to weight/fat loss. Diet is the single most important factor in cutting fat and using clen at this point won't help you anymore than good macros and eating a hypocaloric intake. Plus, clen will add extra stress to your heart and being overweight already stresses the heart. I suggest making a thread in the diet section with your full stats (age height, weight, TDEE/BMR) and have a sample diet proposal for critique

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    Quote Originally Posted by Docd187123 View Post
    I'm not Austinite but I'll throw my 2cents in:

    With those stats I would concentrate on diet and training first and foremost. All the clen in the world won't make you lose weight if diet isn't conducive to weight/fat loss. Diet is the single most important factor in cutting fat and using clen at this point won't help you anymore than good macros and eating a hypocaloric intake. Plus, clen will add extra stress to your heart and being overweight already stresses the heart. I suggest making a thread in the diet section with your full stats (age height, weight, TDEE/BMR) and have a sample diet proposal for critique
    Well said. Certainly agree.
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    Every 3.5 days as in (For example) Monday morning, Thursday night, Sunday morning? Sorry for nub question, just want to be sure.
    Also, would doing pinning on only certain days of a week (Mondays and Thursdays) for 12 weeks work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garcia13 View Post
    Every 3.5 days as in (For example) Monday morning, Thursday night, Sunday morning? Sorry for nub question, just want to be sure.
    Also, would doing pinning on only certain days of a week (Mondays and Thursdays) for 12 weeks work?
    That's correct.

    Days don't matter. Just pin every 3 days or every 3.5 days.
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    Brilliant information right here. Definitely something everyone interested in using should read. Covers the basics and is straight forward. Thanks for your knowledge!

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    Oh and one more thing, sorry. My source of Adex comes in 1mg tablets. The post says 0.25mg eod. So that means I would have to cut it 3 times to get 0.25mg? Half of the tablet would be .50mg, and half of that is 0.25mg..? Kinda hard to be cutting 1mg tabs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garcia13 View Post
    Oh and one more thing, sorry. My source of Adex comes in 1mg tablets. The post says 0.25mg eod. So that means I would have to cut it 3 times to get 0.25mg? Half of the tablet would be .50mg, and half of that is 0.25mg..? Kinda hard to be cutting 1mg tabs
    You'd be cutting into quarters. You can get a pill cutter, or try .5mg every 3rd day.
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    .5mg every 3 days sounds much easier; I'll do that instead. Thanks.

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    amazing thread, i'm new to these forums and this gave me a lot of much needed information. thank you!

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    Very educational!!! I just began a cycle of test e (first ever cycle) and other than blood work I can say I fit the criteria for the 2 people a year!

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    Glad to hear it guys. Thanks for the kind words.
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    Nice. Thanks for the info.

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    Hello anyone that can give me honest info. Im in need of some answers. Well im interested in doin a beginners cycle, im wanting to find out how much $ I should be expecting to spend for this cycle, test/deca -dura/arimidex , hcg , as well as a liver protection supp. Not wanting to take any shorts with any of this, to keep the chances of sides as minimal as possible. Any additional info would be appreciated. I've done quiet a bit of research, obvious still not done. Thanks everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LbforLb152 View Post
    Hello anyone that can give me honest info. Im in need of some answers. Well im interested in doin a beginners cycle, im wanting to find out how much $ I should be expecting to spend for this cycle, test/deca-dura/arimidex, hcg, as well as a liver protection supp. Not wanting to take any shorts with any of this, to keep the chances of sides as minimal as possible. Any additional info would be appreciated. I've done quiet a bit of research, obvious still not done. Thanks everyone.
    Steroid pricing discussion is not allowed on the forums. So I can't help you with that. But if you visit our sponsor, ar-r .com, you can see the prices of ancillaries and liver protection. You'll have to do th leg work on steroid pricing.
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    Cool cool appreciate it.

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    Hi I know youre going to try to tell me how wrong this decision is that i am going to make but my mind is already made up so i would appreciate some help from people with experience so that i can practice using gear safely.

    I'm 18
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    I've been working out for 3 years and i like to educate myself thoroughly on what i am doing, After a correct diet and a great workout routines i still have made horrible gains in these three years so i have decided to start my first cycle and would like some advice on how to be safe while doing so.
    Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardioIsntAmuscle View Post
    Hi I know youre going to try to tell me how wrong this decision is that i am going to make but my mind is already made up so i would appreciate some help from people with experience so that i can practice using gear safely. I'm 18 Weight : 130 Height:5'7 I've been working out for 3 years and i like to educate myself thoroughly on what i am doing, After a correct diet and a great workout routines i still have made horrible gains in these three years so i have decided to start my first cycle and would like some advice on how to be safe while doing so. Thank you
    Advice is in the thread. In great detail. Did you have a particular question?
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    Im starting my first cycle with Test Enanthate and d-bol with my height and weight what dosage should i be taking and do you advice that i run hcg during my cycle to keep my natural test producing

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardioIsntAmuscle View Post
    Im starting my first cycle with Test Enanthate and d-bol with my height and weight what dosage should i be taking and do you advice that i run hcg during my cycle to keep my natural test producing
    You're asking me to break all my rules and provide safe advice. Not going to happen. If I overcome age, you're still too light framed, if I overcome frame, you're still wanting to cycle multiple compounds.

    Honestly, if you want the safest way, it would be to follow my guidelines in this thread. I'm not sure why I would vary from my own advice and make an exception here.

    Try starting a new thread so that everyone can chime in in for you. My guideline is my advice.

    Hope that makes sense and hope you understand. Best of luck to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CardioIsntAmuscle View Post
    Im starting my first cycle with Test Enanthate and d-bol with my height and weight what dosage should i be taking and do you advice that i run hcg during my cycle to keep my natural test producing
    Did you even read this thread?

    1. You're too young
    2. You're underweight
    3. Dbol shouldn't be used on a first cycle.

    EDIT Austinite said the same thing as I was typing.

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    Yes i have read this thread and many others saying the exact opposite of this youre acting like this thread was sent by Jesus there happens to be many different opinions about age use take Arnold for example he talked about early steroid use and turned out great Plus MANY other stories of people who have used test and are great! point is not everyone will have the same effect.
    So be more open minded before speaking

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardioIsntAmuscle View Post
    Yes i have read this thread and many others saying the exact opposite of this youre acting like this thread was sent by Jesus there happens to be many different opinions about age use take Arnold for example he talked about early steroid use and turned out great Plus MANY other stories of people who have used test and are great! point is not everyone will have the same effect.
    So be more open minded before speaking
    No. I never acted like it was sent from Jesus. I'm much smarter than Jesus, anyway. But my point is that this thread contains my personal ideology, and you're asking me to change not one aspect, but all aspects. So, if you do not agree with my ideology, simply revisit the threads that you mentioned, so that you can hear what you want to hear. Why bother with my thread? The answer is simple... because you want the approval of the one person who actually knows what he's talking about. Otherwise, why bother?

    Arnold references are typical among young folks, but rendered fruitless. If Arnold did not have deep pockets, he would likely be in the gutter today. Frankly, we know far more than they ever did. It's old times. Some hormones and peptides in the human body didn't even get discovered until early 2000's. So there isn't much, if anything that the 60's and 70's can offer.

    Follow your dreams, Kiddo. They're not in this thread
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    I wasn't telling you I'm learning from your thread and i appreciate your advice I'm talking about the creature that commented after you

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    This thread helped me out so much in planning my first cycle. I will be posting my plan as soon as I get the required amount of post since I'm new to this forum. Thanks for all the great info!

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    I've found all the items you mentioned except the aromatase inhibitor.
    Are there other names/brands AIs go by?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nametesting View Post
    I've found all the items you mentioned except the aromatase inhibitor.
    Are there other names/brands AIs go by?
    ar-r .com sells both aromasin (LiquidStane) and arimidex (Liquidex).
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    thanks austinite, I have one more question though.
    I have noticed , on the original post, that you dont recommend an AI frequency. What exactly do you mean by "every other day"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nametesting View Post
    thanks austinite, I have one more question though.
    I have noticed , on the original post, that you dont recommend an AI frequency. What exactly do you mean by "every other day"?
    Every other day, as in one day on and one day off.

    Please quote my exact text in question so I know what you're referring to. I don't recall talking about AI frequency.
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Every other day, as in one day on and one day off.

    Please quote my exact text in question so I know what you're referring to. I don't recall talking about AI frequency.
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