Moving from anavar to winstrol

**Lisame24** · 08-10-2013, 03:50 AM

Hi,
I hope someone can help, my friend austinite recommended I tried this website for some good advice and help so here goes:
Hi,
I'm looking for a little advice. I've just finished a 5 week cycle of anavar which I was doing 10mg a day for a couple of weeks and then 20mg a day. I got results but not as much as I'd have liked. I have 2 options, either up the dosage which I don't want to do as am worried about the sides on a higher dosage or trying something else. Some people say Winnie is stronger but some say anavar is better, is this worth trying? Someone also suggested OT but said it would prob make me more bulky than the look I'm after. I feel quite solid now, train hard, lift heavy and eat clean. I do cycle clen with this too. Any suggestions welcome. I like the lean but defined look which I guess I am but want more definition. I've heard about primo too but someone suggested it was weaker than var?? Help please??

**austinite** · 08-10-2013, 03:58 AM

Welcome, Lisame!

FYI - Lisame is a female member.

**austinite** · 08-10-2013, 09:58 AM

Man. Finally got some sleep. Anyway, the conversation I had with Lisame so far is a winstrol cycle at 10mg daily. Here are pictures so that you all get an idea of how fit she is...

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**OnTheSauce** · 08-10-2013, 10:01 AM

Looking good so far! If you've done anavar , give winni a try. You may like it better. From those two pics I'd say your arms need some attention, focus on then this go around!

**DexterMorgan** · 08-10-2013, 10:10 AM

Great body. Austin already helped you, so there is no need for me to add anything.
I think I'm gonna put some var in my girlfriends drinks so that she can look like you. Joke :P

**jasc** · 08-10-2013, 10:20 AM

Welcome Lisa

Aus is one of the smartest guys around here when it comes to health/enhancement. Follow what he says and you'll be in good hands.

**crazy mike** · 08-10-2013, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Man. Finally got some sleep. Anyway, the conversation I had with Lisame so far is a winstrol cycle at 10mg daily. Here are pictures so that you all get an idea of how fit she is...

Wow, very, very nice. Good work. ...crazy mike

**austinite** · 08-10-2013, 10:29 AM

Yeah she is a very hard worker. Done a great job for a Mom of 2 little ones.

**kelkel** · 08-10-2013, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by Lisame24

Hi,
I hope someone can help, my friend austinite recommended I tried this website for some good advice and help so here goes:
Hi,
I'm looking for a little advice. I've just finished a 5 week cycle of anavar which I was doing 10mg a day for a couple of weeks and then 20mg a day. I got results but not as much as I'd have liked. I have 2 options, either up the dosage which I don't want to do as am worried about the sides on a higher dosage or trying something else. Some people say Winnie is stronger but some say anavar is better, is this worth trying? Someone also suggested OT but said it would prob make me more bulky than the look I'm after. I feel quite solid now, train hard, lift heavy and eat clean. I do cycle clen with this too. Any suggestions welcome. I like the lean but defined look which I guess I am but want more definition. I've heard about primo too but someone suggested it was weaker than var?? Help please??

That's two for Austin! Awesome!

But seriously, you look fantastic! Listen to austin. He won't steer you wrong.
And welcome to the forum!

**redhawk01** · 08-10-2013, 10:37 AM

Welcome to the board. I'm following two gals on another board that are running var again. one ramped up to 40mgs with great results. She is starting her second round now. Second gal is using primo with var for her second run. So it'll be interesting to follow that one.

You should get great info on this board. Good luck!

**crazy mike** · 08-10-2013, 11:18 AM

Winstrol has a real specific purpose and I've always had good results when I have used it and that was many, many times. From what I know I say the same about Austin~...crazy mike

**GirlyGymRat** · 08-10-2013, 12:17 PM

Let me look at this more later this weekend. I am tied up at the moment.

**Times Roman** · 08-10-2013, 07:02 PM

Welcome

Not claiming to know anything about the female hormone system, or pros/cons of Winnie vs. var for women. This is a fairly complex subject ( or maybe it's simpler for the ladies?), but I will tell you Austinite is a good bloke and has your back if you let him.

Good luck!
---Roman

**GirlyGymRat** · 08-10-2013, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by Lisame24

Hi,
I hope someone can help, my friend austinite recommended I tried this website for some good advice and help so here goes:
Hi,
I'm looking for a little advice. I've just finished a 5 week cycle of anavar which I was doing 10mg a day for a couple of weeks and then 20mg a day. I got results but not as much as I'd have liked. I have 2 options, either up the dosage which I don't want to do as am worried about the sides on a higher dosage or trying something else. Some people say Winnie is stronger but some say anavar is better, is this worth trying? Someone also suggested OT but said it would prob make me more bulky than the look I'm after. I feel quite solid now, train hard, lift heavy and eat clean. I do cycle clen with this too. Any suggestions welcome. I like the lean but defined look which I guess I am but want more definition. I've heard about primo too but someone suggested it was weaker than var?? Help please??

Hi Lisa and welcome. At the extent of full disclosure I have never run var. However I have read quite a bit. The typical cycle for anavar is 10 - 12 weeks. And not more then 20mg. Pls don't do more than 20.

You can stack anavar with whinny however are u willing to deal with the sides. Cracks voice. Possible hair loss. Personally I had scratched whinny from my list as a newbie user.

I suggest you do more research because 5 weeks indicates that you are listening to others that may not know. Also I am a little confused about your goals. R u cutting or do you want to build lean muscle?

I suggest you take 5 - 6 weeks off to give your liver a break b4 you cycle again.

You may consider running var again but for the 10-12 weeks. There were several gals running var a few mo back. Search female var cycle. Twist, electramaddox and sweetz or sweets.

Honey. You look amazing! Austinite is well respected on this forum and he is very knowledgeable. Gals respond differently. And differently one to another.

**Giggle** · 08-11-2013, 04:34 AM

Welcome LisaMe!
Everyone does respond differently, so you need to listen to people like Austinite, and then track everything about what you take and how you respond. Also keep a record of your diet because that will have a lot to do with results.
Var ended up messing with my liver enzymes more than I was comfortable with, but changing to injectables is a very individual decision. Maybe give winny or primo a try (one or the other, not both) and see how it goes.
Go sloooowly with this stuff. You can't go back and a little goes a long way with women.
Good luck!

**Bonaparte** · 08-11-2013, 09:12 AM

I'd experiment with oral primo (acetate) first, then move up to primo depot injections if you like it.
Reason being is that injections take a few weeks to start working and 2 weeks to wash out of your system, compared to a few days for oral

**GirlyGymRat** · 08-11-2013, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

I'd experiment with oral primo (acetate) first, then move up to primo depot injections if you like it.
Reason being is that injections take a few weeks to start working and 2 weeks to wash out of your system, compared to a few days for oral

OP. I have oral primo but haven't run yet.

**Lisame24** · 08-11-2013, 04:06 PM

Thanks everyone for being so nice and giving proper advice, I found a different website to be not very welcoming and people trying to criticise rather than advice so its much appreciated. I have just been told I did UGL anavar which in the words of the guy who got it for me is crap but he thought I'd get better results from it as it was my first cycle. He said to now either do pharma Winnie or var, I really have no knowledge of different brands etc so does anyone know? I'm in the uk so unsure if its the same brands as in the US? I don't want to actually get much bigger size wise but I do want to strip away fat and gain lean muscle to get that more defined, ripped look but not too drastic

**Bonaparte** · 08-11-2013, 04:23 PM

We can't tell you where to get it. But pharma gear will be produced by a pharmaceutical company and sold in a pharmacy (originally, at least). We can tell you what isn't a pharma company if you ask, but we'd be hard-pressed to list every pharma in the world that makes var or winny (especially compounding pharmacies).

**Lisame24** · 08-11-2013, 04:28 PM

But pharma is the stuff to go for? I had decided on winstrol as the var didn't do much for me but perhaps of its pharma it will? I just want to make the best decision and pick the best one

**austinite** · 08-11-2013, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Lisame24

But pharma is the stuff to go for? I had decided on winstrol as the var didn't do much for me but perhaps of its pharma it will? I just want to make the best decision and pick the best one

Yes, anytime you have the opportunity to get pharma, that should be your choice.

It's very common to have fake anavar , so that may have been your experience.

**Lisame24** · 08-11-2013, 04:34 PM

If its all pharma do you think Winnie is the best bet for me or anavar again? I'm sure it was legit cos of who I got it from but he said its rubbish compared to pharma. Considering my body now, I just want to lose some more bf and build some more lean muscle to give me that nice defined look all over

**austinite** · 08-11-2013, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by Lisame24

If its all pharma do you think Winnie is the best bet for me or anavar again? I'm sure it was legit cos of who I got it from but he said its rubbish compared to pharma. Considering my body now, I just want to lose some more bf and build some more lean muscle to give me that nice defined look all over

Well that was my recommendation. Bonaparte brings up Primo which is also a great compound, from what I understand, it needs to be dosed fairly high to equal a small injectable dose. Maybe he can chime in on the dosage.

Winny will be best for strength, but you'll probably look more defined with Primobolan .

**Lisame24** · 08-11-2013, 04:45 PM

Primo isn't one I had thought about as someone once told me it was the weakest out of the 3 we're discussing but I'm assuming that's not the case? I'm going to do some research into primo, yeh would have to be oral, the thought of injections scares me. Any info you have on primo would be great, pros, cons, dosage etc?

**austinite** · 08-11-2013, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Lisame24

Primo isn't one I had thought about as someone once told me it was the weakest out of the 3 we're discussing but I'm assuming that's not the case? I'm going to do some research into primo, yeh would have to be oral, the thought of injections scares me. Any info you have on primo would be great, pros, cons, dosage etc?

Not going to produce as much strength gains but I don't think that's what you're looking for. Many models run low doses of Primo year round to maintain definition. So I think a longer run with Primo is needed.

I'll wait to see if bonaparte chimes in as he would know more about this for females. The dosing throws me off. I believe that it's 3 to 4 times the dose of an injectable. So if you normally would inject 100mg of primo, you'd need to take 300 to 400 mg of an oral dose. So you have some cost issues to consider as well.

**GirlyGymRat** · 08-11-2013, 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Yes, anytime you have the opportunity to get pharma, that should be your choice.

It's very common to have fake anavar, so that may have been your experience.

the fake stuff is easy to find unfortunately.

**Bonaparte** · 08-11-2013, 08:28 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Not going to produce as much strength gains but I don't think that's what you're looking for. Many models run low doses of Primo year round to maintain definition. So I think a longer run with Primo is needed.

I'll wait to see if bonaparte chimes in as he would know more about this for females. The dosing throws me off. I believe that it's 3 to 4 times the dose of an injectable. So if you normally would inject 100mg of primo, you'd need to take 300 to 400 mg of an oral dose. So you have some cost issues to consider as well.

Yeah, you need roughly 3X the dose if using oral primo. I'd think that 30-40 mg daily for 8 weeks would be a good dose. Primo is a great compound if run properly (very clean gains, no bloating at all, no lethargy, no GI or appetite issues, few androgenic issues, etc).

**Lisame24** · 08-12-2013, 07:22 AM

So do you reckon if get better results from injectable primo than oral Winnie? If it gets better results and I've read less sides? Then I'm really considering it?

**austinite** · 08-12-2013, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by Lisame24

So do you reckon if get better results from injectable primo than oral Winnie? If it gets better results and I've read less sides? Then I'm really considering it?

You don't have to do injectable, Primo is available in oral form. I think Primo will ultimately be the better choice.