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06-09-2014, 07:43 PM #121
if taking 330 mg test, whats a good dosage of DIM to take and some preferred brands?
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06-09-2014, 07:54 PM #123
even with being on TRT? my doc didnt prescribe me any ai just HCG with 160 mg, my e levels has been in the 40's
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06-09-2014, 08:13 PM #125
I was only prescribed 160 mg cyp I cut that in half and added a premix of 125 test p 100 tren a 100 mas. Total per well 330 test 200 tren 200 mast for 8 weeks then will get back on my hcg 500 iu 2 weeks before end of cycle and cyp 160 per at the end of cycle and get blood done 2 weeks after I end the cycle
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06-12-2014, 06:27 AM #126
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Hey Aus....
I'm mid way though a bulk and my blood work shows high progesterone. Normal range was 1-5 I'm at 11 over double the high end of normal.
E2 and prolactin are in range, e2 was in the higher end but still well within range.
I'm using 1000mg test, 650mg EQ, 450mg deca , 0.5 ADEX eod, 0.5 caber tw, 500iu HCG tw. Age 35, 240 lbs, 15% bf.
Should I drop the Deca? Does the EQ increase progesterone ?
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My e2 levels are in the normal range, will bringing them down to the lowest side of the normal reduce progesterone that dramatically?
Is having my progesterone of 11 even worth worrying about considering the doseages im using? I've only got 4 weeks left on the deca . Then I continue the EQ, and test for 6 and 8 weeks....
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06-25-2014, 05:46 AM #130
That's one of the things i asked in some previous post. If progestins increase estrogens activity BUT NO THEIR COUNT/NUMBER i suppose that control E2 to handle progestins better means: reduce *more* E2 to do decrease progestins activity. This is just logical deduction, i'm not sure is so.... if someone who is master of the theme would illumine us, that could be a great thing, about common interest.
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06-25-2014, 06:05 AM #131Senior Member
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Unless you are an one-off (oddball) case E2 is the gate keeper to hell. Control E2 and you control gyno, bloat, and a million other items. PRG on its own causing issues would be rare (not impossible) but rare. if you take the cases of PRG high only causing issues (confirmed cases) you would not run out of toes to count on. Naturally I have 2x top of range PRG and have 0 issues from it.
E2 going high opens up paths for PRG to cause issues. When I asked my trt doc about my PRG level and concerns he said "when you are 4-5x top of range we can start to think about it".
I am laughing at 330 a week for TrT. That would put a person at 3000-4000 TT. No doctor is going to prescribe that unless his name is Selfad Minister. You are looking at 2-3x top of range E2 from that...even if a doc did prescribe that he would not put you on it from the start. Docs are cautious for a reason...they like their pay check.
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06-25-2014, 09:39 AM #135
Moral of the story: keeping E2 in a good range should take a good safe profile using progestins ( 19-Nor compounds ). The "good" E2 range to keep a good safe profile with progestins, i think, it's variable for each one.
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Austinite, would you mind posting your opinion of the optimal range for the progesterone and E2 during let's say a heavy bulking cycle using a progestin compound like Deca .... (Because we can't use the labs recomended range during a cycle)
What would you range optimal for E2 and progesterone on cycle ???
My E2 is 38 pg/ml (high end of normal) and progesterone is 3 ng/ml (double the high end of normal)Last edited by athletic.guy; 06-26-2014 at 10:07 PM.
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Again, this is great info...
So with 600mg deca a week you recommend getting the progesterone levels within range. That's what I'm struggling with.
I've added proviron @ 100mg ed and I'm reducing my HCG down to 250 iu twice a week and upping the dose of Adex to 1mg eod.... I can control everything but that damn progesterone...
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06-27-2014, 07:37 PM #139
Some folks can't. Lower your dose of deca or seek an alternative steroid .
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Will keep the blood work up. Thanks for all the good info guys.
Progesterone is something that really should not be overlooked in my opinion, if women use it as a contraception then high levels in males must be horrible on out ENDO system also. I think it could also play a part in fertility issues in males.
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Thank you for this great write up. I've had gyno for 8 yrs now and I'm curious if you think your reversal protocol will work or if I would be wasting my time. I've read that time can make it more difficult to reverse but haven't seen any numbers as to what is too long.
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great post!
''Tamoxifen : Dose at 40 mg every day for 1 week. After that, drop dose to 20 mg and use that every day until gynecomastia is reversed;;
so can this actually make you're gyno go away if its been present for 7 years? or no chance? any legit ways of taking away the gyno excluding surgery? any info on that would be greatly appreciated!
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same boat my dumbs didn't use an AI at the time was told nolva is good enough well it wasn't either that or the nolva given to me was fake!
wish i was more educated back than to use AI to prevent estrogen levels going off!
id very open to hearing and possible suggestions of getting rid of the gyno with out surgery and just tablet dosages of nolvadex but for how long ?? and does it work even if u had gyno for years or no only to treat it asap while experiencing high estrogen during cycle while its fresh?
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06-28-2014, 05:11 AM #145
Worth a try. Cheaper than surgery. The studies I've seen are on pubertal gynecomastia . I dont have a definitive answer for the above 2 questions.
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So I've been trying to research this raloxifene from ar-r . I'm not exactly sure if this is injected or if you drink it? Also, the bottle reads 60mg/ml. I assume this is per dose and not 1 bottle. Is that correct and if so, how long will 1 bottle last at 60mg/day? Thank you
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The bottle reads 60ml 60mg/ml. So if I'm understanding right 1 bottle will last 60 days at 60mg/day? Forgive me for these rudimentary questions. I made the mistake of taking a cycle 8 yrs ago without doing my homework and I've been paying ever since. Thank you again for your patients.
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Yes that would be correct!
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Hey, another question about progesterone. Could 1000 iu week HCG elevate progesterone out of range ?
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Hey Aus,
Is there any evidence that you know of that elevated progesterone can impact muscle gains?
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3rd cycle
height 180cm
weight 176 lbs
age 24
bf 12-14
i dont run an ai on previous cycle
im lactating and when i squeezing hard my breast discharge very very very little
so i start letro .25mg ed and caber .5 each week
this is my next cycle
for this cycle :
oxymetholone :
week 1 50mg
week 2-4 100mg
test e :
week 1-10 500mg
deca :
week 1- 8 300-350 mg
what i should use on during cycle?
i have caber -letro-exemestane-hcg -tamoxifen
thank u
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hey Austinite does EQ increase progesterone? my current cycle is 750mg test e 600 EQ and 1000iu hcg split monday/friday. my bloods came back with my progesterone quite high was wondering is it the EQ or hcg?
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bump
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E2 is 108 on a range of 25 to 150 and progesterone is 5.7 on a range of 2.5 to 4.5 i am also running anastrozole 0.5 mg every 3 days could it be the hcg that is causing high prog and would you recommend increasing a.i dosage? all advice is much appreciated buddy
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