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    Hi Austinite,

    So I should inform my doctor that I am taking anobolic steroids and that I need to have a sensitive E2 assay? Typically do insurance companies cover the sensitive E2 Assay (i.e. Pre Cycle, Mid Cycle & Post Cycle)?

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    Really good write up.....

    I need the experts on here to help me out..... I'm 39 and I was informed by an idiot that I believed and of course hooked me up with Super Test 450, basically over 7 months I was taking 450mg 2x a week as instructed until I started having low libido, partial ED and getting worse, could not orgasim for the life of me, and noticed that my normal gains aren't there at all..... Normally if I take to much test I get sore nipples so I know to introduce some Nolvadex .... I had no systems that seemed like it was TOO MUCH Test!

    I stopped last week and am currently taking 60mg of Nolva a day going on day 3..... Until I met some great guys on here on another thread that told me I was crazy for that much for that long and my E2 must be super high and my prolactin is through the roof.

    Reading the top I see this....know how to fix!!???

    I read the Power PCT, and am going to get my blood work done this week.... but I would really be grateful for some thoughts on starting my PCT plan...

    this is what a guy that used test for 3.5 years came off it with and got back to normal....

    Day 1-20 : 2000iu HCG every other day. (going 7 months I'm thinking 5 days of 2000iu's of HCG?)

    Day 1-30 : Nolva 40mg/day (20mg was taken twice per day) ; Clomid 100mg/day (50mg was taken twice per day)

    Day 31-45 : Nolva 40mg/day (20mg was taken twice per day)

    I noticed there isn't an AI in this? I'm trying to round up supplies ASAP as I don't want longterm effects from this debacle.....

    Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated as I have read this post and thought this is the guru's to ask.

    Thanks for any help on what to do....

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    ...wish to see, FIRST, a nor-testosterone derivative only cycle and SECOND a hyperprolactinemic blood test result of that cycle.
    obvious of a previous euprolactinemic subject.

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    Over the last months I developed small, palpable formations underneath the right nipple.

    I just hope they are fluid filled pockets and not actual breast tissue...

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    hello i have a question about gyno. Now I'am using first cycle of 500mg testo and 400mg deca
    picture befor cycle
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    picture of today after shower
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    Now I am confused whether this is a gyno. and if I have it because of steorids. Sometime I have normal to see some time I have fluffy niples. Meybe because of heat, fat and water in the body?
    What is your opinion

    I start letro folowing these instructions
    forums.steroid .com/educational-threads/236880-all-you-need-know-about-gyno.html
    Last edited by aodinsvi; 06-10-2017 at 02:28 AM.

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    That's not gyno. Gynecomastia is growth of mammary tissue in the male, this can be felt as an hard lump right behind nipple.

    What you display is water retention.

    You were already advised to drop deca for your first cycle and use arimidex not letro.

    You are going to severely kill your E2 with letro exposing yourself to an host of physical and psychological sides, for no reason at all lol.

    Even in the case of gyno best course of treatment is with SERMs not letro.

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    i cant get armidex only letro. i have i little hard lump right behind nipple from puberty.
    i overlooked post about letro
    Last edited by aodinsvi; 06-10-2017 at 08:08 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro View Post
    Over the last months I developed small, palpable formations underneath the right nipple.

    I just hope they are fluid filled pockets and not actual breast tissue...
    Seriously guise you won't believe it but I've tasted the liquid spilling out from my nips (lol) and it literally tastes like milk... all of my WTF

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    Guys, lets suppose I took too much Arimidex (anastrozole) and my Estrogen levels went to the ground... How can I let my Estrogen to go up and avoid a rebound gyno "? Could I reduce the dose of AI and take Nolvadex together while my E2 levels go up ?

    Dont tell me to do a blood exam because that will not answer my question please...

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    My results were as follows. Do you think I should start taking an AI? I take 75mgx2 of test e a week.

    17 BETA OESTRADIOL 127 pmol/L 34.59pg 0.00 - 191.99
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    My full results were as follows:
    TESTOSTERONE *40.5 nmol/L 1168ng. 7.60 - 31.40

    FREE-TESTOSTERONE(CALCULATED) 0.896 nmol/L 25.8ng. 0.30 - 1.00

    17 BETA OESTRADIOL 127 pmol/L 34.59pg 0.00 - 191.99

    SEX HORMONE BINDING GLOB 41.8 nmol/L 1205ng. 16.00 - 55.00



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    Reversing gyno at early stages.

    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    Thank you, buddy.
    Thank you for the info. If early stages of gyno are noticed, would you recommend the use of either Nolvadex or Reloxifene only or with one of the AIs too I.e Aromasin /Arimidex ? Thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmigowski View Post
    Thank you for the info. If early stages of gyno are noticed, would you recommend the use of either Nolvadex or Reloxifene only or with one of the AI’s too I.e Aromasin/Arimidex? Thank you.
    Yes to Ralox of Nolva. No to additional AI's.
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    I would suggest transdermal DHT (andractim) to anyone with gyno if able to get it. Two weeks on parental DHT (25mg die) and my chest is so much better looking than two months on 60mg ED raloxifene, without any of its sides. The hard lumps literally feel like melting.

    Skin application has minor systemic effects but there's still chance of HPTA suppression though.
    Last edited by hammerheart; 03-25-2018 at 11:39 AM.

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    Hello Austinite or any others that can answer my question.

    I have ran a few cycles in the past with no side effects, this most recent cycle I used deca durabolin for the first time.

    Throughout the cycle I was using aromasin and prami, but still started to develop gyno.

    I increase my aromasin dosage and started in ralox as well, but even that could not stop the gyno completely.

    Eventually got some letro and Pharma caber, even that did not stop the gyno.

    Had bloodwork showing low e2 and basically 0 prolactin, but my progesterone was still high above range.

    I started to experience almost all of the high progesterone sides you mentioned: hairloss, ED, depression, gyno...

    Finally I dropped the deca a month ago and I am back on 100mg rest/wk but bloodwork is still showing high progesterone despite e2 and prolactin being under control.

    Should I just wait until the progesterone slowly lowers as the deca continues to leave my body ?

    I never experienced hair loss even with high test high masteron , but I am getting hairloss all over my scalp from deca.

    Once progesterone lowers, does my hair stand a chance of growing back? And also, once prog is low again, would it be possible to fight this gyno with a SERM, or would surgery be the only option at this point?

    Anyone could explain why progesterone still remains high even on TRT dose when e2 and prolactin are under control?

    My progesterone was never high on TRT or any other cycle I’ve been on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arcboy View Post
    Hello Austinite or any others that can answer my question.

    I have ran a few cycles in the past with no side effects, this most recent cycle I used deca durabolin for the first time.

    Throughout the cycle I was using aromasin and prami, but still started to develop gyno.

    I increase my aromasin dosage and started in ralox as well, but even that could not stop the gyno completely.

    Eventually got some letro and Pharma caber, even that did not stop the gyno.

    Had bloodwork showing low e2 and basically 0 prolactin, but my progesterone was still high above range.

    I started to experience almost all of the high progesterone sides you mentioned: hairloss, ED, depression, gyno...

    Finally I dropped the deca a month ago and I am back on 100mg rest/wk but bloodwork is still showing high progesterone despite e2 and prolactin being under control.

    Should I just wait until the progesterone slowly lowers as the deca continues to leave my body ?

    I never experienced hair loss even with high test high masteron , but I am getting hairloss all over my scalp from deca.

    Once progesterone lowers, does my hair stand a chance of growing back? And also, once prog is low again, would it be possible to fight this gyno with a SERM, or would surgery be the only option at this point?

    Anyone could explain why progesterone still remains high even on TRT dose when e2 and prolactin are under control?

    My progesterone was never high on TRT or any other cycle I’ve been on.
    Your hair is likely to grow back, as it did for me.
    Good for you that you got bloodwork to assess.
    I believe ED, hairloss and depression are the sides of low E2. Stop taking AI at this point and simply take a little higher dose of SERMs.
    AIs are effective at PREVENTING gyno not REVERSING it.
    You should manage your E2 better next time if youre gyno prone and avoid highly estrogenic compounds. Just run 10 mg nolva with your cycle to avoid gyno next time.
    And the gold advice here is to run masteron with 19-nors, its great at blunting estrogenic and progestinic activity at receptor level.

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    Hi,
    What happens if you start developing gyno on cycle (for example austinites first steroid cycle)? Do you stop taking the steroids and go onto letrozole ? Does pct change at all or is it still the standard 4 week pct? How long do you stay on the letrozole for?

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    Yes? What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nackel View Post
    Hi,
    What happens if you start developing gyno on cycle (for example austinites first steroid cycle)? Do you stop taking the steroids and go onto letrozole? Does pct change at all or is it still the standard 4 week pct? How long do you stay on the letrozole for?

    Just take 40 mg of Nolvadex until the symptoms of gynecomastia disappear..

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    Letrozole is a bad idea

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    Hi Everyone

    I am new here, I have read a lot of post, but can find a solution want to do, hope someone can help me.


    I been on anavar , superdrol and Test, and I have gyno and very sensitivt niples, no libido, limp dick, depress, mental breakdown.
    I took first
    Anavar 2 weeks 10 mg to 20 mg.
    The 3 week superdrol 10 to 20 mg, ade Testeron guick release 2 times 100 ml
    The 4 and 1/2 week superdrol som day 20 mg other day anavar with test 3 times 100 ml.
    But because of the niples sore and hard, I stop at starte with 80 mg nolvadex for 4 days, down to 60 mg.
    Then I went to take bloodtest.

    Endokrinologi
    Prolaktin;P 374 vs 86 - 324
    Testosteron;P 4,0 vs 8,6 - 29
    Thyrotropin [TSH];Pb 1,38 vs 0,40 - 4,80
    stradiol;P 0,10 vs 0,09 - 0,22

    So my prolactin is to high and very low testosterone , and I had the last shoot just 6 days before.
    I startet with me pct no HCG 5000 iu every week and nolva 40 mg and comid 50 mg every second day and cabergoline every 3 day 0.25, 2 weeks now, no libido, limp dick, the niples is still hard and sensitive my chest is very tend.
    I have stop my Comid, its broke me down, mental breakdown.
    3 days ago I try with 80 mg nolvadex, yesterday my upper chest hurts like hell, ist stops when I took 30 mg nolva and 0.25 caber.
    It was over 12 hours between my 80 mg nolvades dose.
    Don’t know want happen.
    so should I stop the Pct and just use Caber or what to do
    Its feels like my chest is going to transform to breast, sometimes

    Can u please help me.

    sorry about my bad english

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    Hi,

    I'm 26 years old.
    I have a mild case of gyno on my right side since 18 years old. Never took any drugs so it's something that came out naturally during puberty and never resolved itself. A little less than a year ago the left side started catching up for some unknown reason so I went to an endo for some consultation, we ran a hormonal panel(twice) which came out just fine and an Ultrasound(twice) that showed a mild case of gyno on right side as expected, while the left side came out clear.

    Overall, my hope was that the endo will be on my side and give me a prescription under his supervision for some kind of SERM at least a month or two to see if we can battle this issue without going to the extreme (surgery), but he said he doesn't want to be take the risk and be responsible for the possible side effects the SERM (Raloxifen or Tamoxifen ) can bring with it such as thrombosis or a stroke. He said the SERM will have no effect on the issue at this point so it's useless, the case is fairly minor, and he couldn't find any underlying reason for it appearing (idiopathic). I read here on the forums and some studies which all lead to the same idea that Raloxifen is the best solution is this case (60mg for a month at least) but now it seems that I will have to buy it on my own without any prescription and the endo just straight up told me I can consult a surgeon if I want to have that minor visual fix because he doesn't have any other solution for me.

    As far as I know bodybuilders run a ton of SERMS after their cycles with no adverse side effect which means I can probably run a month course of Raloxi fairly safe just to see if it'll help my case to clear out this issue with drugs rather than going to surgery

    Wanted to hear your guys insight here on this issue and maybe personal experience
    Hopefully austinite will see this as well and can give his own knowledge and help

    Thank you very much

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    get the surgery and be done with it . you'll otherwise struggle with the issue for the rest of your life

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    Hi
    I try too stop nolva, but cause very sore and 2 more lumps in my left, I am fuck, want can I do.

    any one help me

    I took 40 mg nolva, and sore its getting better.

    should I try aromazin with Raloxifene or Letrozole

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