Test increase

**nolasa1972** · 08-12-2013, 03:25 PM

Can anyone tell me, from experience, how much 250mg/week of cyp will increase test? Some people said after blood tests that it will still be within mid range(600-700) and I've seen some people have posted that it boosted theirs up to 2000.

**austinite** · 08-12-2013, 03:30 PM

Not really. No one can tell you other than blood work. Not everyone responds the same. 150 mg has be at 750 ng/dL. Another person can be over 1000 at the same dose.

**nolasa1972** · 08-12-2013, 04:04 PM

Thanks that's kinda what I thought. I guess it doesn't really matter I'm starting week 4 of 10 and my strength has been increasing and I'm starting

**nolasa1972** · 08-12-2013, 04:05 PM

To gain weight so I guess all is good

**austinite** · 08-12-2013, 04:07 PM

That dose is not going to help you at all. It will only cause damage. So all is NOT good.

**nolasa1972** · 08-12-2013, 04:19 PM

Why do you say that? A hormone replacement dose is 200mg/week and my starting test level was 236. I'm not saying that you're wrong but I'm confused.

**austinite** · 08-12-2013, 04:28 PM

Well, you're doing this to gain weight. 250mg is just enough to suppress your HPTA and will not do much, if anything in the weight gain department. And 200mg is on the very upper range of TRT.

List your full stats and propose a complete cycle for critique.

**nolasa1972** · 08-12-2013, 04:40 PM

I'm eating 4000 cal/day so ill gain weight regardless of anything I'm taking. I've always understood that its good to grow into a cycle and that test no matter how much you take will suppress you. Like I said I'm not doubting your word it's just this is the first time I've heard this. I've listened to quite a few body builders and they've all said that this is a good starting point to know how my body feels on test and that this will be the foundation of all future cycles. As far as my cycle it's 250mg of cyp for 10 weeks. I started at 162lbs at 13%BF and after 4 weeks I'm at 172lbs at 15%BF. I'm eating 3500-4000 cals a day 200mg carbs 80mg fat 300mg protein and hit the gym like there's no tomorrow.

**austinite** · 08-12-2013, 04:43 PM

There are 1000's upon 1000's of threads that state the same thing I did. Use the search function. Your wasting your time with that dose. If this is the first time you hear this then you havent done your research. Start a new thread titled "Is 250mg enough for a cycle?" and see the responses you get.

That is all your cycle consists of? No AI? No hCG ? No PCT?

What's your age?

**nolasa1972** · 08-12-2013, 04:53 PM

Yes pct of course, and no hcg there's no need. Let me ask you this, when did you first hear about hcg and what did people do before it? At a high dose yes but at this dose no. I've asked Clint Darden and followed his videos and according to him and others hcg isn't necessary until the 1000mg-1500mg a week cycle. Lets just say 250 takes my test up to 750 that would be normal. I wouldn't use hcg in my 20's just because my test was in that range. I'm 40

**austinite** · 08-12-2013, 04:56 PM

Are you being serious? What is the difference between 250 mg and 5000 mg? Both will have you shut down. You'll need to seriously start researching heavily brother. I don't think I can help you because you are set in your ways, but hopefully others will chime in and you will get a reality check.

**Brett N** · 08-12-2013, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by nolasa1972

I'm eating 4000 cal/day so ill gain weight regardless of anything I'm taking. I've always understood that its good to grow into a cycle and that test no matter how much you take will suppress you. Like I said I'm not doubting your word it's just this is the first time I've heard this. I've listened to quite a few body builders and they've all said that this is a good starting point to know how my body feels on test and that this will be the foundation of all future cycles. As far as my cycle it's 250mg of cyp for 10 weeks. I started at 162lbs at 13%BF and after 4 weeks I'm at 172lbs at 15%BF. I'm eating 3500-4000 cals a day 200mg carbs 80mg fat 300mg protein and hit the gym like there's no tomorrow.

Not trying to be a stickler for your numbers but your numbers aren't quite adding up.

200 grams carbs = 800 calories
300 grams protein = 1200 calories
80 grams fat = 720 calories

Total= 2720 calories A little short of 3500-4000

**nolasa1972** · 08-12-2013, 05:21 PM

The difference between 250 and 5000 is having your balls afterward. There's a difference between suppression and shutdown. I'm not trying to argue with you but when I'm under advisement of someone that has 20+ years experience that I can actually look in the eye I tend to believe them. All I wanted was some info about test levels at that dose not a debate on who knows more. I appreciate your feedback it just doesn't make any sense to me.

**austinite** · 08-12-2013, 05:22 PM

100 mg will shut you down. What are you talking about? You want info but you're rejecting science and logic. I don't get it.

**PistolPete33** · 08-12-2013, 05:24 PM

You should use HCG no matter what. I'm on TRT and use HCG and without it the boys shrink up like no tomorrow. I agree that a 250mg/week dose will not yield great results.

AD · 08-12-2013, 06:02 PM

if you're 40yo and has low T, and the reason you're taking test is to get to a total T of 700-800, then 250mg/wk is fine. but think of it as TRT, not a cycle. you will see some gains, as your T has gone from 200+ to 700+. but remember, this is not a cycle dose. its TRT dose.

hcg increases your chance of HPTA recovery and fertility. so whether it is needed on a cycle depends on whether you're interested in recovery/fertility or not.

as for shut down and suppression... think of it this way. your body, due to age mainly, has determined that you only need a total T level of 230+ (as you stated above). now when you inject test till you're over 700+, whats your body going to think? there is already triple the amount of T in your blood stream. your HPTA will go on a vacation till your total T is back to "normal" or below the initial set point of 230+. then it will slowly come back and restart, probably in a few months time.

**Lunk1** · 08-12-2013, 07:00 PM

Well your starting test level is at 236 (unknown ranges) which is rather low. Sow your dosage is ok for a high TRT dose. I would consider getting under the care of a doctor to hel with your low test vs. self diagnosing.

As far as a BB level 250mg is relatively useless and will most likely put you levels in the high end of normal.

HCG is a good idea at ANY level. Shutdown is shutdown is shutdown. You don't inject exogenous test and still get to keep your natty test function. Not how it works. Feel free to have your friend sign up and argue differently.

**crazy mike** · 08-12-2013, 07:43 PM

Ok, I am 62 years old bud. My natural test level when I made a come back 10 months ago was 619ng/dL in a range of approximately 200- 1200ng/dL. I started with 250 mgs week and not much of anything was going on at week 5-6. I didn't get the level but not much weight and muscle/strength gains were little. Nothing that I felt was anywhere. I bumped it up to Pharmaceutical Test Cyp @ 600mg wk and my strength started to coma on. I gained 20 lbs in the next 8 more weeks. Now I have experience with steroids a shit load starting way back in 1982. So that's real experience and count my years OK. Next question about a typical BB dose for a BB cycle. I think I could tell you more real steroid stories than all your friend combined. ...crazy mike

**kelkel** · 08-12-2013, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by nolasa1972

The difference between 250 and 5000 is having your balls afterward. There's a difference between suppression and shutdown. I'm not trying to argue with you but when I'm under advisement of someone that has 20+ years experience that I can actually look in the eye I tend to believe them. All I wanted was some info about test levels at that dose not a debate on who knows more. I appreciate your feedback it just doesn't make any sense to me.

Yes, there is a difference between suppression and being shutdown, but you are shut down. Just run BW and check your LH & FSH levels if you don't believe us. Then show them to your friend who gave you the wrong advice. Very easy to prove it to yourself this way.

And many of us have 20 plus years experience and actually understand the HPTA. Spend some more time here searching and reading. You really can learn a lot which will help you greatly in the future. Visit the HRT Forum as well. It's in your future!

**austinite** · 08-12-2013, 08:00 PM

This might warrant a HPTA/Endo writeup!

**kelkel** · 08-12-2013, 08:01 PM

That'll keep you busy......

You need to get back to that thing called a 40 hr week.....

**largerthannormal** · 08-12-2013, 09:41 PM

Keep in mind he's talking about milligrams not grams

Me funny (maybe I'm the only one who caught that)

Originally Posted by Brett N

Not trying to be a stickler for your numbers but your numbers aren't quite adding up.

200 grams carbs = 800 calories
300 grams protein = 1200 calories
80 grams fat = 720 calories

Total= 2720 calories A little short of 3500-4000

PS 162@13 vs 172 @15= nearly half the gains are fat.