Does this stop?

[Necromanncer]

Virgin muscle being shot with 25ga 1 1/2 pins, 1cc of 350mg Test E, getting red and inflamed, below injection site, at least 4 days after being pinned. Not infected, but getting annoying lumps with red inflammation surrounding it... Is this crystallized hormone falling to the bottom of the muscle? Is there any way to help absorption and does this eventually stop?

[austinite]

There is no such thing as "virgin muscle". It is mostly due to poor injection technique. However, it certainly can crash after it's injected, and oil can certainly travel and pool up somewhere if it's not injected deep in a muscle.

[MuscleInk]

There is no such thing as "virgin muscle". It is mostly due to poor injection technique. However, it certainly can crash after it's injected, and oil can certainly travel and pool up somewhere if it's not injected deep in a muscle.

I was leaving this for you. What took so long!?!?!

[austinite]

I was leaving this for you. What took so long!?!?!

Took a nap

[FONZY007]

Took a nap

You wear your mask?

[Muscley midget]

Try using a 23g needle I used a 25 and got the same problem. Apparently it was because I didn't go deep enough.

[Necromanncer]

Interesting, so a 23ga pin can inject deeper than a 25ga?
I'll get some larger needles. I have a steady hand and take a good time to slowly inject.
But hopefully the larger needles help. I just couldn't figure it out... It does seem like it's pooling away from the inject site... No pain where I put it in at all, just swelling lower in the muscle 4 days later... Massage helps a lot BTW.

Thanks fellows!

[Fcarey32]

Hey man it happens, your muscles will get used to it! No need to change needles, if anything just get longer ones, not necessarily larger ones.

[OnTheSauce]

Try using a 23g needle I used a 25 and got the same problem. Apparently it was because I didn't go deep enough.

What lol. The thickness of the needle has nothing to do with length.

[OnTheSauce]

To the OP, it may just be poor gear

[Necromanncer]

I have what I believe to be a good source, but you never really know.
Using 1 inch for Delts and 1 1/2 for glute shots. I'll post after the next week to update how it's going.

[OnTheSauce]

Hopefully it gets better

[Necromanncer]

Any suggestions on how to keep the oil in the muscle better, instead of this apparent sliding of gear down from the inject side?

I don't have another source, but...
Would finding a different source be advisable mid cycle?

[OnTheSauce]

Get more muscular? Lol Jk. It happens sometimes. Try a different brand next go around

[Hazard]

Any suggestions on how to keep the oil in the muscle better, instead of this apparent sliding of gear down from the inject side?

I don't have another source, but...
Would finding a different source be advisable mid cycle?

Look up the Z-track injection technique

[crazy mike]

Lets keep this simple. Get a 1-1/2" needle. I don't care what gauge, but I like a 22G 1-1/2" even though it is a larger gauge I find when I'm having any PIP If I got to this and use my Glute (ass) and I hit as deep as I can I have less problems. Pause just a bit at the bottom and pull out just a bit slower. (not slow., slower) and the fluid can't follow the needle out. If this is the problem. It is just simple go deep in your butt if you have a problem. Ya think??? ...crazy mike

[crazy mike]

What the heck is virgin muscle. WTF you think you muscle gets used to being hit and cut with a sharp needle. IMOP you just keep building scare tissue and that's not good. A soft supple muscle without scare tissue , that's tough and hard, will absorb the fluid better than any scare tissue. I just don't understand people's thinking or lack of. ...crazy mike

This whole thread seems stupid to me....cm

[ironbeck]

try warming the vial slowly to a warm temp, then inj, also double check on your inj site and make sure your within the standard area for inj.

[Bonaparte]

Where are you pinning?
Glute shots are the least likely to go wrong.

[Necromanncer]

I have been using 1 1/2 inch needles.

I am pinning 350mg/ml Test E @ 1ml per injection.

I have been pulling the needle slow after the injection.

I will try to double check my sites, but I think I'm at the right spots.

I am 6"2 sitting at 270, 18ish %bf. Natural up until 3 weeks ago. My personal best was 6%bf at 215, really good natural. Close to genetic potential I believe, hence time to sauce.
I am 32, training for 10+ years.

I am following a 500 cal a day reduction from maintenance. So I'm eating about 3000 cal a day. Using this cycle to try and lean out without losing all my size like I always would, when I was natural.

[Necromanncer]

I have been warming the vial.

I have pinned right glute, left glute, right delt and now left delt... Looking at my quads starting Monday thinking, Nooooooo, LOL!

[ironbeck]

Pure and simple my friend your source used to much BA when brewing or too much something, man up and finish what u have, or get another source.

[OnTheSauce]

Picture of current and the 6% at 215?

[Necromanncer]

Edited

[Necromanncer]

I'll try to get better pics if its important, thanks

[Necromanncer]

I'm trying to get some better before pics off my phone, this was closer to 8 or 9 percent, but is better quality.

[SlinKing]

you're looking great, man! That last pic doesn't even look human haha,

In reguards to your question:
1) I definitely think this is a virgin muscle thing. I'd say my first dozen pins were very painful, then the pain started receeding with no change in injection technique.
2) If you are pinning quads or glutes, try to go in 1.5 inches. If you pin shallow the gear can pool subcutaneously and cause the red/inflamed look (pain!)
3) Make sure you are pinning the correct place. If you go between muscles or close to a muscle division, it can pool under the skin also. Basically try to hit deep in the center of a large muscle.
4) many UGL's use a high concentration of alcohol in their gear to ensure sterility. At first this will shock your muscles, but then you kinda get used to it and it doesn't really hurt anymore (virgin muscle i guess?)

[Necromanncer]

Ok last one is just an arm, but it was right before a natty show I was going to do, but was canceled. Sorry I don't have real pics, I'm just grabbing some stuff on my phone and off Facebook.


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[Necromanncer]

Thanks Slinking.

I have been using an 1.5 length, but all other points are probably spot on.

I'm subconscious about being fat after being so lean... Hoping to stay a little bigger while I diet this time with the Test E. I would like to be a bodybuilder more than anything... I feel like I waited my whole life to go enhanced/on gear.

Trying to learn here as much as I can while putting on real mass.

All the help is appreciated, no doubt brothers!

[OnTheSauce]

Just very good natty stats brother. I'm impressed

[Necromanncer]

Thanks Sauce!
I thought about staying natty and competing but, that's not what made me fall in love with bodybuilding... What made me fall in love with bodybuilding is physiques like what are pictured in your avatar, is that you?!!! That's impressive!

My fiancé gave me the blessing and she is as pumped about really changing my physique as I am. I'm a lucky guy!

[Necromanncer]

Came across a few things.

1.). Potential allergen to EO oil, is this in Test E?
2.). Carbolix (?spelling) Acid in Test E raw powder, is considered a poison. Could be swelling from that.
3.). The Test E could be "crashing" after injection.

A few notes and comments.

Day 0 to Day 4 - No PIP, No redness, No swelling

Day 5 - start to get red spots below inject site.

Day 6 to Day 8 - Significant redness, swelling, hard knot on muscle, all symptoms spread to entire limb. (Example: delt inject causes swelling in bicep, tricep all the way to the elbow)

Day 8 to Day 10 - Slow reduction of symptoms.

Day 11 to Day 12 - Return to normal


Honestly I think most would abandon this cycle, but it's my first and my attitude is I'll be damned if I stop. I have a high threshold for pain, but I have to tell you guys, I think most wouldn't handle this sort of swelling and pain very well. I'm not an alarmist, but this isn't the way a cycle should go.

I am hoping someone has some real advice as to what this Teat E is doing that, for four days I'm fine, then my body starts what appears to be an immune response to whatever is lingering in my muscles...

Thanks fellows!

[Cuz]

Came across a few things.

1.). Potential allergen to EO oil, is this in Test E?
2.). Carbolix (?spelling) Acid in Test E raw powder, is considered a poison. Could be swelling from that.
3.). The Test E could be "crashing" after injection.

A few notes and comments.

Day 0 to Day 4 - No PIP, No redness, No swelling

Day 5 - start to get red spots below inject site.

Day 6 to Day 8 - Significant redness, swelling, hard knot on muscle, all symptoms spread to entire limb. (Example: delt inject causes swelling in bicep, tricep all the way to the elbow)

Day 8 to Day 10 - Slow reduction of symptoms.

Day 11 to Day 12 - Return to normal


Honestly I think most would abandon this cycle, but it's my first and my attitude is I'll be damned if I stop. I have a high threshold for pain, but I have to tell you guys, I think most wouldn't handle this sort of swelling and pain very well. I'm not an alarmist, but this isn't the way a cycle should go.

I am hoping someone has some real advice as to what this Teat E is doing that, for four days I'm fine, then my body starts what appears to be an immune response to whatever is lingering in my muscles...

Thanks fellows!

I was gonna say I was going through the same thing up until this. Kinda strange that nothing happens from days 0-4??? I think your gear is bunk man. I would adleast suspect some pip after injecting a day or two later but nothing? hmm, I really don't now whats going on, id try a different gear though and see what happened.

[Necromanncer]

Let me a bit more clear...

Not entirely zero PIP, but the standard I got a shot from the doctor pain, but not a debilitating feel and look like I got kicked by a horse, lol!

The delay is what's getting me though...