Peptides or Clen for obtaining "Beach Body"?

[ma_atx]

Hey all,

I have made a couple post regarding my goals and after some valuable information from you all, I am torn between two plans, so please give me your opinions. First of all, the stats: 29 yo, 6'1, 210, ~20%BF, a lot of supplement experience, no AAS experience. Coming off injury, doing mostly cardio and *light* weight training for the next ~2 weeks. Should be back to lifting in September.
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Cialis - as a NO agent and general health benefits
SERM - To promote natural testosterone (and hopefully get to the "high" range of normal)
B12 - for more energy as I ween off coffee
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Peptide Stack:
CJC-1295
TB500

**OR**

Fatloss Stack:
Clen
T3

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Goals are to reduce my BF% by 5-10% by the end of the year. Again, I will be doing cardio mostly for the next couple weeks as I get past injury and get back into weight training. My ultimate goal is to have a "beach body".



Also - on a completely unrelated note - I am going to cut booze out of the diet completely for the next couple months. I am thinking of drinking Kava when my friends are partying. Anyone have experience with that? Any other recommendations of stuff you can take to relax when out having a good time?

[AD]

how much cardio are you doing every day?

how much calories are you eating everyday?

[ma_atx]

Cardio has been 10+ hours a week. It changes day to day. Tonight was 2 hours of basketball and 30 minutes of light weight training for example.

I have been running a calorie deficit. I have been averaging about 3#'s lost a week for almost 2 months. On work out days I will normally end up around 2k calories. On non-work out days its closer to ~1200

[ovidiu31]

My opinion would be with clen and t3.

[ma_atx]

My opinion would be with clen and t3.

Thanks for the advice. Have you used Clen and T3? Did you like it?

Anyone else want to chime in as well?

[evander87]

At 20% bodyfat you'd be better off adjusting you diet. You can use clen to get down to 18% which IMHO is FAR from a beach body. Then what do you do to try and strip off more fat?

Adjust your diet and get down to 10% natty then opt for clen to get down in the single digits.

THe three things you can do for fat loss. Diet, exercise, and compounds. You'll hit a plateau with each. So say you don't adjust your diet or exercise and just rely on compound for fat loss. You lose some fat and hit the wall then what do you do? Amp up your exercise and the fat starts coming off again. But once again you hit a wall they what? Now the only thing left is to adjust your diet. Which if fine but if you can't stay disciplined on the diet and you kinda say "eff it" and go back to old exercise plan and drop the compounds you know what's likely to happen? You balloon up possible fatter than before. I know from personal experience. If you can really focus and stick to a diet trimming down on the fat then amping up cardio to get even leaner then adding compounds WOW that's the beach body you seek. Just my $.02

[ma_atx]

Thanks. I know nothing will assist better than diet and exercise, I am simply looking for ways to help speed up the process. I think losing 5-10% BF in the next 4 months is obtainable with hard work; I am looking for supplementation to help not do all the work.


As I mentioned, I have already adjusted the diet and exercise the last two months and it has lead to 3#/week weight loss. I am getting to the point were I will reintroduce weight lifting and I would like supplementation to help boost results at that time.... So basically I would like to make a decisions and get products ordered in the next week or so.

[CanAmBrah]

Man, I would say at the rate you're going, just adding weight training will get you to your goal. The caveat being, at the rate your cutting, gains in the gym will be tough. Been there.

[ma_atx]

Man, I would say at the rate you're going, just adding weight training will get you to your goal. The caveat being, at the rate your cutting, gains in the gym will be tough. Been there.

Appreciate it. I figured once adding weight training my results will start to change. My weight loss will likely decrease quite a bit, but muscle definition will get much better. For example, before injury I was 200 lb but in the <15% BF.

I am just looking for that little extra. I normally spend ~$100/MO on workout supplements when I am lifting. The peptides (or Clen ) I have been looking at are in the same range... So I figured why not give those a shot instead of buying the normal stuff. Just switch it up a little bit.

[TestAce]

What you need to do is get a set diet and stay consistent with it, the gym, and cardio. Adding in Clen and T3 is not worth it for cutting your body fat down from 20%, that is something that needs to be done through diet and training. I'm not a proponent of Clen due to the potential for side-effects, and I won't even consider T3 (****ing with your thyroid to lose fat that you can lose without it? no thanks). I would cut down to 16-17% and start using Albuterol if you really want to use something to aid in fat loss.

[TestAce]

Also I think if you are coming off an injury, TB500 would be a good thing to add. I have read a lot of good things about it, and just started it myself yesterday for some shoulder issues.

[ma_atx]

Also I think if you are coming off an injury, TB500 would be a good thing to add. I have read a lot of good things about it, and just started it myself yesterday for some shoulder issues.

Thanks, it looks like TB500 is the way to go.

[ma_atx]

Ordered the Cialis and Clomid, figured I would get that started. Waiting on the big sell in a couple days from AR-R to see where I will be ordering the peptides. I appreciate all the help.

I will probably start a log somewhere - as I am sure I am not the only one trying to get back into the game from injury. Could possibly help someone who had all the same dumb questions I have. Speaking of dumb questions... please feel free to answer this one:

Question on MG/ML and product descriptions

[redz]

There is no good reason to take Clomid if you don`t cycle. Unless you have a low sperm count.

[ma_atx]

There is no good reason to take Clomid if you don`t cycle. Unless you have a low sperm count.

Ive read a lot of reports that it will increase testosterone to the upper natural limits..?

Clomiphene Citrate (Clomid) in Men - A Testosterone Alternative

Increasing a Man's Testosterone Production | The Dr. Oz Show

Clomid and Testosterone

Daily dose 25 mg Clomid doubles men's T levels

[evander87]

I was willing to read your research until I saw one by Dr Oz. That guys a fruitcake.

[ma_atx]

I was willing to read your research until I saw one by Dr Oz. That guys a fruitcake.

Haha - I agree. That was actually a quick google search. The idea of using Clomid actually came from reading the Low T forum on this site. I just figured I would show reports instead of a bunch of threads that said "My Doc is telling me to take Clomid".

There are a bunch of people/reports out there that say you can go from average to the high range of normal by just taking clomid. From what I read people were seeing T in the ~800-900 area. The would be a solid 50% boost for the average guy. I figured it would be worth a try seeing as you can get Clomid for less than $1 per a day..

[thefirerises]

Thats not very many calories for a guy who is 6'1. I understand you are trying to cut fat as fast as possible, but at that rate when you get down to 12% bf youll just be skinny. Cutting too many calories at once and adding fat cutters too early can limit your fat loss. Im not sure how that plays in when youre starting at 20% bf however. The best thing I can say I suppose is to slowly cut calories and wait to add in the cutting agents.

Also for cardio, add in some HIIT like sprints. That will speed up the fat loss.

[ma_atx]

Thats not very many calories for a guy who is 6'1. I understand you are trying to cut fat as fast as possible, but at that rate when you get down to 12% bf youll just be skinny. Cutting too many calories at once and adding fat cutters too early can limit your fat loss. Im not sure how that plays in when youre starting at 20% bf however. The best thing I can say I suppose is to slowly cut calories and wait to add in the cutting agents.

Also for cardio, add in some HIIT like sprints. That will speed up the fat loss.

Thanks - since reading the responses on here and in the nutritional section, I have upped my caloric intake. I am closer to ~1800 on non workout days and ~2200 on workout days. I am also adjusting the diet to get ready for more weight training (protien intake every few hours).

[redz]

Haha - I agree. That was actually a quick google search. The idea of using Clomid actually came from reading the Low T forum on this site. I just figured I would show reports instead of a bunch of threads that said "My Doc is telling me to take Clomid".

There are a bunch of people/reports out there that say you can go from average to the high range of normal by just taking clomid. From what I read people were seeing T in the ~800-900 area. The would be a solid 50% boost for the average guy. I figured it would be worth a try seeing as you can get Clomid for less than $1 per a day..

Don`t believe everything you read. Clomid has many side effects too.

[ma_atx]

Don`t believe everything you read. Clomid has many side effects too.

'Thanks for the heads up. From what I read the only major one was blurry vision from time to time. That could suck. I figured I would give it a try though as it was pretty cheap. It should be here in the next day or so.