Fat loss cycle

[Negative Knight]

If somebody ate in a 2k calorie deficit paired with trenE(400mg), TestE(300mg) 10weeks tren /test, anavar (4 weeks) what do you think the results would be?

[austinite]

Well, if your TDEE is 6500 I presume that should be ok. Otherwise entirely unhealthy and it will certainly become counter-productive fairly quickly.

[Negative Knight]

Well, if your TDEE is 6500 I presume that should be ok. Otherwise entirely unhealthy and it will certainly become counter-productive fairly quickly.

Ok so say your TDEE is 3400 can you eat 1700 safely?

[austinite]

No. Even a 1000 calorie deficit is extreme, but better than 2k.

[Negative Knight]

No. Even a 1000 calorie deficit is extreme, but better than 2k.

I'm new to cutting but no stranger to bulking... How would it become counter productive i don't understand

[AD]

When your caloric deficit is too great, you go into starvation response. Your gear will be forcing your system one way and your body natural response pushing the other way. Extremely unhealthy to say the least.

[Negative Knight]

When your caloric deficit is too great, you go into starvation response. Your gear will be forcing your system one way and your body natural response pushing the other way. Extremely unhealthy to say the least.

Won't the gear win? I apologize if I sound stupid

[austinite]

Won't the gear win? I apologize if I sound stupid

Win?

If you mean gear will overcome the issue, absolutely not.

[Negative Knight]

Win?

If you mean gear will overcome the issue, absolutely not.

Ok so bad idea, how's a 1k deficit?

[austinite]

I already addressed 1k deficit.

[Negative Knight]

I already addressed 1k deficit.

Right but extreme will still be healthy?

[austinite]

Extreme generally overboard, aka not good.

1k deficit is not healthy. 500 to 800 max would be fine.

[Negative Knight]

Extreme generally overboard, aka not good.

1k deficit is not healthy. 500 to 800 max would be fine.

Okay thanks

[AD]

Have a read:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starvation_response

[Negative Knight]

Have a read:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starvation_response

I did and all I noticed was that resistance training in a deficit will help fight catabolism

[Negative Knight]

And if I'm correct testosterone will also help fight catabolism? I might be wrong

[austinite]

Probably best that you research the topic at hand in depth, and make a new post with your detailed findings for critique, otherwise this would be a never ending battle.

[AD]

I did and all I noticed was that resistance training in a deficit will help fight catabolism

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I would read that as "help decrease or slow down", not "completely prevent".

[Negative Knight]

Probably best that you research the topic at hand in depth, and make a new post with your detailed findings for critique, otherwise this would be a never ending battle.

No I'm going to save myself some time and take your advice on my deficit.

I would read that as "help decrease or slow down", not "completely prevent".

Yeah that is a true statement I would like catabolism to be at a minimum or non existent level

[ChiveOn]

Tren is gonna help shred you as it is. 500-800 plus some cardio will do you wonders also. Jut curious, what's your weight and bf% look like that you feel the need to cut several thousand calories and take gear?

[evander87]

Tren is gonna help shred you as it is. 500-800 plus some cardio will do you wonders also. Jut curious, what's your weight and bf% look like that you feel the need to cut several thousand calories and take gear?

This

Hell if you're pretty lean 10% or so you can run Tren and eat at TDEE and get great results.

[Negative Knight]

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Hell if you're pretty lean 10% or so you can run Tren and eat at TDEE and get great results.

Tren just shreds fat with no effort? I heard it raises body temp or something but paired with deficit and cardio id probably get to 8% from 13-14% (current)