final decision

**ninjaman85** · 08-22-2013, 11:53 AM

ok so I'm 5'9" 175lbs 27 y.o, and after doing a lot of reading and taking in advice I guess I'll leave the deca out first time around this is what my finished plan looks like:

week 1-10: Test 400, 1ml weekly
week 11-13: Test prop, 1ml every other day

PCT: HCG 5000iu split over 3 days during first PCT week, Clomid @ 75/50/50/50 & Nolvadex @ 40/20/20/20

comments, concerns, queries?

**OnTheSauce** · 08-22-2013, 12:04 PM

Speak in mg, not ml

**Tron3219** · 08-22-2013, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by OnTheSauce

Speak in mg, not ml

What's the difference? Lol

**OnTheSauce** · 08-22-2013, 12:16 PM

Well do you how much prop a week he will be running? Ml is a measure of volume. Doesn't tell us how much of the steroid he will be using unless he lists the mg. we can speculate, but best to just speak in regards to the amount of the steroid. At least we know what kind. Some guys come on here and just say 1ml of test twice a week

**Tron3219** · 08-22-2013, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by OnTheSauce

Well do you how much prop a week he will be running?

I was being facetious

**bigsiv** · 08-22-2013, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Tron3219

I was being facetious

Ha ha ha I got it

**chuckt12345** · 08-22-2013, 12:20 PM

no reason to run that prop,, not going to do much

**Tron3219** · 08-22-2013, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

no reason to run that prop,, not going to do much

You can get into pct faster like that. If he just stuck with e or c then he has to wait two weeks to start pct where as with ending in prop he can get in pct 3 days later.

**kelkel** · 08-22-2013, 12:24 PM

He's just doing that to start pct quicker.

Op, run your hcg throughout your cycle. Maybe 250 IU x 2 per week. If you are dead set against that then google the Scally Power PCT Protocol and follow that course. Either way, you'll need more. AI during this cycle I hope?

edit: Tron beat me to it.

**chuckt12345** · 08-22-2013, 12:31 PM

yea i know about pct times,, just saying from exp it really wont make much diff (loss of gains or mood) JMO

**Tron3219** · 08-22-2013, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

He's just doing that to start pct quicker.

Op, run your hcg throughout your cycle. Maybe 250 IU x 2 per week. If you are dead set against that then google the Scally Power PCT Protocol and follow that course. Either way, you'll need more. AI during this cycle I hope?

edit: Tron beat me to it.

Agreed...and also if I had prop on hand I'd do ahead and hit up wk 1-4 tooooo but hey, that's just me jack!

**ninjaman85** · 08-22-2013, 01:08 PM

why week 1-4 Tron

an no i'm not running AI, I bought an extra bottle of nolva and will only pop if I notice any sides. I don't understand why ppl are on this huge pin hcg throughout cycle kick....Dr. Oz?

**ninjaman85** · 08-22-2013, 01:16 PM

Oh sorry and the prop is 100mg/ml

**Bio-Active** · 08-22-2013, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by ninjaman85

why week 1-4 Tron

an no i'm not running AI, I bought an extra bottle of nolva and will only pop if I notice any sides. I don't understand why ppl are on this huge pin hcg throughout cycle kick....Dr. Oz?

Running hcg during your cycle keeps the testies functioning instead of letting them shut down. Running hcg at 200-250 iu through the cycle instead of blasting it at the end leaves less risk of desensitizing the ledig cells as well. Nolvadex will not reduce circulating estro either during your cycle were an AI will

**OnTheSauce** · 08-22-2013, 01:18 PM

Running prop in beginning will kick start the cycle basically. Everything kick in faster. I like using it towards the end before pct. neither is a requirement and do what you are comfortable with

**Tron3219** · 08-22-2013, 01:24 PM

Exactly what these two gentlemen and scholars said!

**ninjaman85** · 08-22-2013, 01:30 PM

so what your saying is you do no hcg post cycle and just do 200-250 iu throughout?

**Bio-Active** · 08-22-2013, 01:40 PM

Originally Posted by ninjaman85

so what your saying is you do no hcg post cycle and just do 200-250 iu throughout?

^^Yes 200-250 iu 2 x ew right up to pct

**ninjaman85** · 08-22-2013, 01:43 PM

ok, i'll try this, I still don't quite get why an ai on such a low test, I am taking my zma still that helps those lvls...lol

**Bio-Active** · 08-22-2013, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by ninjaman85

ok, i'll try this, I still don't quite get why an ai on such a low test, I am taking my zma still that helps those lvls...lol

Sides are not the only thing to judge high estrogen by. Labs are the only way to know for sure but i am not estrogen sensitive and My estrogen can easily jump to over 300 with no sides what so ever. I would not want to leave my estrogen elevated that high

**Capebuffalo** · 08-22-2013, 02:50 PM

My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

**Red Bastard** · 08-22-2013, 03:06 PM

Originally Posted by ninjaman85

don't understand why ppl are on this huge pin hcg throughout cycle kick....Dr. Oz?

Apples n Oranges!

(Different HCG )

**ninjaman85** · 08-23-2013, 05:04 PM

I'm confused on the dosing of aromasin . I read you should take .25 mg BID but it comes in 25 mg/ml vials.....

**ninjaman85** · 08-23-2013, 05:27 PM

and why is aromasin so expensive on ar-r website compared to others? any specific reason?

**ninjaman85** · 08-23-2013, 05:38 PM

Also lol I have been told that you don't need an AI with test 400 is this true?

**OnTheSauce** · 08-23-2013, 06:14 PM

Originally Posted by ninjaman85

Also lol I have been told that you don't need an AI with test 400 is this true?

Absolutely false. You will still need your ai. Test will still aromatize. That's non sense.

Originally Posted by ninjaman85

I'm confused on the dosing of aromasin. I read you should take .25 mg BID but it comes in 25 mg/ml vials.....

.25mg would be for adex, not aromasin .

**ninjaman85** · 08-24-2013, 01:33 PM

ok sorry got my things mixed up, aromasin 12.5mg x2 ED throughout the entire cycle? If Im not mistaken 1 vial will only last you a month, being at $90 a vial are people really buying 3 of these to use during cycle?

**Bio-Active** · 08-24-2013, 02:28 PM

Aromasin is my AI of choice

**mikey hulk** · 08-24-2013, 04:24 PM

Your paying a lot

**ninjaman85** · 08-24-2013, 04:31 PM

ar-r is the one charging 90 a bottle.....isn't that what everyone uses here? lol

**Sfla80** · 08-24-2013, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by ninjaman85

ar-r is the one charging 90 a bottle.....isn't that what everyone uses here? lol

Go with ldex

**Capebuffalo** · 08-24-2013, 05:22 PM

Stane is better for not fvcking up your cholesterol levels like dex.

I've tested it. And now stane is my ai.

**OnTheSauce** · 08-24-2013, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

Stane is better for not fvcking up your cholesterol levels like dex.

I've tested it. And now stane is my ai.

I never attributed my lipids to my adex usage. What kind of change are we talking about?

**< <Samson> >** · 08-24-2013, 09:49 PM

Usual 1st cycle:

500mg week of Cyp/Enan per week 1-10 (or all the way to 12)
Then prop week 10-12 EOD up until 72 hours of PCT

HCG 250iu 2x per week (mot a must but helps and it's cheap)

Still my Ai of choice is exemestane (ran @ like 20mg EOD)

Same PCT

Easy cycle, still good for a first.

**Sfla80** · 08-25-2013, 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

Stane is better for not fvcking up your cholesterol levels like dex.

I've tested it. And now stane is my ai.

Never new that...thanks cape

**ninjaman85** · 08-25-2013, 07:00 PM

I went with some arimidex since it seems to be on the cheaper side for me in Canada, you are saying HCG 250ui x2/week but I heard running it long term isn't good, I was thinking of starting to run the ai and hcg at week4 up until pct. Seem legit?