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**stackedbro** · 08-22-2013, 04:34 PM

About 9 weeks ago I started my first testosterone enanthate cycle at 500 mg a week seperated in 2 injections. With arimidex eod at .5 mg. I started at 5'8 178 lbs and I'm 22. I don't wanna hear shit about my age because I did my research and talked to my endocrinologist and tests proved I am fully developed. The first vial was underdosed at I was at 1500 ng/dl after a month. And gained about 5 lbs after the first vial putting me at 182 lbs and about 9-10 % bf. this last week I just got my bloodwork done to see how my second vial was doing after taking it for about 3 weeks. And my blood work said I was at 44 ng/dl! I just got this call from my nurse. However I have been gaining size not so much strength. But I am about at 190 lbs and 11%bf. I don't understand how it could be possible to make these gains with testosterone that low. I have nolvadex and clomid on hand. It's been close to aunts though since my first vial. Please help let me know what to do. I am scared because workout is my life and this is exactly what I didn't want to happen. I have about 2 more injections with the second vial.

**stackedbro** · 08-22-2013, 04:36 PM

I have been eating about 500 grams if carbs 250 grams if protein and 100 grams of fats. So I'm about at 400 calories daily split into 7 meals. And been working out an hour and a half to 2 hours daily.

**Granovich** · 08-22-2013, 04:50 PM

so the first vial put you at 1500
then 2nd one put u at 44 ?
seems like the 2nd one is not test, i would say it must be deca or something. that explains the major size gain

**stackedbro** · 08-22-2013, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Granovich

so the first vial put you at 1500
then 2nd one put u at 44 ?
seems like the 2nd one is not test, i would say it must be deca or something. that explains the major size gain

The second one is definately not test. But the wierd thing is my sex drive is still no problem. But no near it as the first vial. But I've been injecting 1 cc twice a week. My dealer said this is very strong testosterone enanthate though. Which is wierd. It just seems impossible to gain that weight with such low testosterone and doesn't make sense to me.

**stackedbro** · 08-22-2013, 05:37 PM

Also my normal levels have ranged from 700-990 ng/dl without the use of anything. Any advice helps with how to approach this.

**stackedbro** · 08-22-2013, 05:50 PM

Anyone?

**fit2bOld** · 08-22-2013, 09:50 PM

Get a new source. You don't even have a clue what it's dosed at or what your taking. What exactly is very strong test e

**stackedbro** · 08-22-2013, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by fit2bOld

Get a new source. You don't even have a clue what it's dosed at or what your taking. What exactly is very strong test e

Yes I have a new source and am never going back to this person. And he said the potency is at 300-400 mg per cc. So I would used about 2/3-3/4 a cc. What's done is done though and I gotta figure this situation out.

**crazy mike** · 08-22-2013, 11:47 PM

Your dealer is a a fukin jerk and is lying. I wouldn't bash you for your age but it seems you certainly are not in the know as to WTF is going on. Why ? Did you get a copy of you BW ? If not get it. See WTF is going on. You should have it in your hand. What is your E2 that will tell us some more.
Get some good gear. Good gear is dosed what is says. AND your Test levels will talk appropriately. What is the second vial ?? ...crazy mike

**stackedbro** · 08-23-2013, 12:00 AM

Originally Posted by crazy mike

Your dealer is a a fukin jerk and is lying. I wouldn't bash you for your age but it seems you certainly are not in the know as to WTF is going on. Why ? Did you get a copy of you BW ? If not get it. See WTF is going on. You should have it in your hand. What is your E2 that will tell us some more.
Get some good gear. Good gear is dosed what is says. AND your Test levels will talk appropriately. What is the second vial ?? ...crazy mike

Yea this was me not knowing better and trusting the wrong person. But I don't have a physical copy yet. The just called me a couple hours ago and told me my numbers which is when I made my original post. I just got total test, free test which is 9.9 which is extremely low as well. And my sex binding globulin hormone level was normal. But my test being at 44 as a total is cery concerning. I started omega labs but after one injection I realized that everyone said it was bunk. So the second vial consisted of a vial with no labeling. This was the same as my first vial which was underdosed. I don't understand how I can be gaining weight and keeping strength with this low of test. As someone said earlier it might be deca ? Or it could be some other form of anabolic besides testosterone ? No really sure.

**crazy mike** · 08-23-2013, 12:11 AM

No not Deca . What is your E2...Estradiol levels...crazy mike

Did you get your E2 test done...+

I'm going to bed. Tomorrow is another day. ...cm

**PetrX** · 08-23-2013, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by stackedbro

I don't wanna hear shit about my age because I did my research and talked to my endocrinologist and tests proved I am fully developed.

I stopped reading after this .....

**stackedbro** · 08-23-2013, 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by PetrX

I stopped reading after this .....

That was a stupid post on your part. Don't wast our time

**stackedbro** · 08-23-2013, 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by crazy mike

No not Deca . What is your E2...Estradiol levels...crazy mike

Did you get your E2 test done...+

I'm going to bed. Tomorrow is another day. ...cm

No I didn't get my estrodial levels checked. But I am going to see if my doctor can request another lab order too see if those numbers have changed this last week. And I will get e2 checked. It should be high if the gear is legit correct? And low if no test is being injected which leads to no aromitization?

**PetrX** · 08-23-2013, 01:43 AM

Originally Posted by stackedbro

That was a stupid post on your part. Don't wast our time

You claim to have done your "research" yet you post such noobish questions..

**Aleksandro** · 08-23-2013, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by PetrX

You claim to have done your "research" yet you post such noobish questions..

Why bash on him? He's asking a legitimate question, If you're not willing to help why even bother to comment?

Just saying.

**stackedbro** · 08-23-2013, 01:58 AM

Originally Posted by PetrX

You claim to have done your "research" yet you post such noobish questions..

It is my first cycle. And I just wanted to see people's input on here. My doctor is gonna contact me tommorow after talking to my endocrinogist and see what I should do. It's been over a month since Ive been using this stuff and i seemed to have gained the weight I want but I don't understand how my test is at 44 ng/dl. When it is 700-990 naturally and I could be making these gains. With levels of 44 I shouldn't even be able to be pushing the same weight week after week

**PetrX** · 08-23-2013, 02:04 AM

Originally Posted by stackedbro

It is my first cycle. And I just wanted to see people's input on here. My doctor is gonna contact me tommorow after talking to my endocrinogist and see what I should do. It's been over a month since Ive been using this stuff and i seemed to have gained the weight I want but I don't understand how my test is at 44 ng/dl. When it is 700-990 naturally and I could be making these gains. With levels of 44 I shouldn't even be able to be pushing the same weight week after week

What kind of weight are you gaining though? it could be water weight.. the second vial has to be either a fake, sodium, or some other stuff that got mis-labeled.. Does your Doctor know about what youre doing?? To make things easy, I would take those test results to another endo, have him test you, once they come back low, the Endo would most likely give you a script for Test C and you could purchase it at a CVS or Walgreens

**stackedbro** · 08-23-2013, 02:10 AM

Originally Posted by PetrX

What kind of weight are you gaining though? it could be water weight.. the second vial has to be either a fake, sodium, or some other stuff that got mis-labeled.. Does your Doctor know about what youre doing?? To make things easy, I would take those test results to another endo, have him test you, once they come back low, the Endo would most likely give you a script for Test C and you could purchase it at a CVS or Walgreens

Im sure it's some water. I've been eating 500 grams of carbs so thats gonna retain water in itself. There was no labeling on it, but I doubt it's sodium, I just feel like maybe test could be off. My doctor knows exactly what I've been doing, I met with her before and during twice. She actually said that test C would be an option for you to get your natural levels higher. But that doesn't make sense to me since it's still am exogenous for of testosterone . But if I can pick up the prescription myself that wouldn't be a bad idea for a future cycle to make sure I have the real stuff and to just start my pct as soon as possible. But I obviously don't want to be on hrt for the rest of my life at this age.

**PetrX** · 08-23-2013, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by stackedbro

But I obviously don't want to be on hrt for the rest of my life at this age.

In the Army, my Test levels were shot when I came back from a tour.. I was still able to keep my weight, muscle, and bf% low.. Just because your Test levels are that low doesn't mean you wont be able to add weight.. But since your levels are that low then that means you should get rid of that vial and the supplier.. If you can get your Endo to prescribe you Test C then good , if not then take your results to another Endo and don't tell them about what you did and most likely he/she will prescribe you TRT, then you can go on PCT and get the scripts as instructed and just put them away for a future cycle.. Or find a reputable source which is tough but do able .

**stackedbro** · 08-23-2013, 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by PetrX

In the Army, my Test levels were shot when I came back from a tour.. I was still able to keep my weight, muscle, and bf% low.. Just because your Test levels are that low doesn't mean you wont be able to add weight.. But since your levels are that low then that means you should get rid of that vial and the supplier.. If you can get your Endo to prescribe you Test C then good , if not then take your results to another Endo and don't tell them about what you did and most likely he/she will prescribe you TRT, then you can go on PCT and get the scripts as instructed and just put them away for a future cycle.. Or find a reputable source which is tough but do able .

Thats crazy, i could possibly be at 44 then. I was thinking that possibly the test was messed up. Because my doctor said that if blood is left out for too long it will clot and become inaccurate. But now that I should have a paper that shows them my levels. But lets say those actually were my levels and another bloodwork proves that. Should I just let my natural levels come up since it's been a month since last injection at least or take my nolva/clomid just to be safe.

**PetrX** · 08-23-2013, 02:46 AM

Originally Posted by stackedbro

Thats crazy, i could possibly be at 44 then. I was thinking that possibly the test was messed up. Because my doctor said that if blood is left out for too long it will clot and become inaccurate. But now that I should have a paper that shows them my levels. But lets say those actually were my levels and another bloodwork proves that. Should I just let my natural levels come up since it's been a month since last injection at least or take my nolva/clomid just to be safe.

You can have test levels that low and still function and add weight ect.. Each person is different therefor reacts different.. I would just use tamoxifen for 40mg/day for 2 weeks followed by 20mg/day for another 2 weeks and see what the test results show after.

**stackedbro** · 08-23-2013, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by PetrX

You can have test levels that low and still function and add weight ect.. Each person is different therefor reacts different.. I would just use tamoxifen for 40mg/day for 2 weeks followed by 20mg/day for another 2 weeks and see what the test results show after.

So my doctor didnt ****ing call me and the office is closed. I feel as if the test could have a good chance of being off. Because I've been doing more weight and reps than every before. I set prs with most my lifts this week. not by much but maybe 1 or 2 extra reps on a 10 rep. But my bloodwork says I'm at 44. So I'm not really sure if I should just start the pct or not. My acne has gone away completely though so I'm getting very mixed signals.