Advice on this cycle please

[Armlegman]

Hey guys, im just about to start my 2nd cycle. I'm 22, 186cm, 84kg, 10-11% bf, Been consistently lifting for 4 years and just did my first cycle at the start of this year, ive been off for about 25 odd weeks now. I have been looking on here at the stacks and want to do the intermediate II cycle.

Its a 12 week cycle, 100mg/eod Prop, 75mg/eod tren , 0.5mg/eod armidex and then 50mg/ed winstrol for the last 6 weeks.
The Pct is 500iu hCG /ed for 10 days then 40mg/ed Nolvadex for another 4 weeks.


Just want to know is the armidex necessary? And is hCG necessary aswell for the pct? And whats your thoughts on not using the winstrol aswell?

Please let me know what you think of the cycle, and any adjustments I should make etc...


I've posted this before and had no help, just hate "your too young etc". I'm on here for advice on the cycle i'm about to start, so could someone please help? Thanks.

[SlinKing]

1. bump up the tren dose. that's gonna be the compound that really does the work in this cycle. i'd run it at least half a gram. sides generally worsten at 700-750mg/week. you could try to bump it up to around those levels
2. winny doesn't do much in my opinion. I'd rather run superdrol 4 weeks on/4 off at 20-40mg/day. But if you don't like sdrol sides and you feel like you gotta have an oral, winny is alright. I'd definitely run it at 75-100mg tho. winny isn't very toxic.
3. you should add prami or caber for prolactin that comes with tren
4. clomid + nolva is much better than just nolva. clomid is the one that really helps your fsh and lh recover

good luck man! if you got questions i'll keep checking this thread so post them up

[DexterMorgan]

Drop tren. Too early for a heavy cycle.

Don't run prop for over 10 weeks.

Use HCG during your cycle from week 1.

Keep caber or prami on hand. Add clomid to PCT.

Yes Adex and HCG are both necessary.

[SlinKing]

naw bro. adding tren >>>>>> dropping tren

HCG is fine to run at the end of the cycle. makes your balls come back before PCT and makes pct significantly shorter and easier.

[austinite]

Drop tren. Too early for a heavy cycle.

Don't run prop for over 10 weeks.

Use HCG during your cycle from week 1.

Keep caber or prami on hand. Add clomid to PCT.

Yes Adex and HCG are both necessary.

Here's a user that makes sense. OP, please disregard what the other user said. Obviously inexperienced and clueless.

[austinite]

naw bro. adding tren >>>>>> dropping tren

HCG is fine to run at the end of the cycle. makes your balls come back before PCT and makes pct significantly shorter and easier.

You obviously have no idea what HCG does. Stop giving advice, you're doing more harm than good. Educate yourself. Plenty of data for you to do so.

[SlinKing]

just trying to help. it is completely fine to ignore me.

I also have experience with just about every compound you. can name FYI

[GymHero]

Why is SlinKing not banned yet? He is nothing but an annoying troll and brings nothing positive to this forum.

[SlinKing]

Why is SlinKing not banned yet? He is nothing but an annoying troll and brings nothing positive to this forum.

i'm not banned because i'm cool. and i love steroids

[Lunk1]

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[ppwc1985]

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[Armlegman]

I'm now even more confused than ever.....

What should I do??

[DexterMorgan]

I'm now even more confused than ever.....

What should I do??

This is what I would do.

Week 1-8 Test Prop 125-150mg eod
Week 3-8 Winstrol ( I would go with Var personally)
Week 1-8 HCG 250iu x2 week
Week 1-8 Arimidex 0.25mg eod, increases if needed.

PCT
Nolva 40/20/20/20
Clomid 75/50/50/50

Pre, mid and post cycle donate blood or double reds.
get pre, mid and post PCT Blood work.

[Armlegman]

What about adding Test-e?

[Cuz]

I like prop but I don't like pinning eod. SO I would run test E at 600 mg a week mon/thurs for 12 weeks I went with Var instead of winny. As for PCT start 14 days after your last injection if you do the enanthate. If prop, I think its like 10 days after but don't quote me on that. Just to be safe I might go 2 weeks of 40mg day nolva and clomid at 100mg day for the first week then 75 then 50 50...

But I would just see how my body reacted there. Looks like dex has you covered on it. Pretty simple setup

[Lunk1]

From your lack of knowledge AND your age, not using steroids yet is STILL the best advise!

[Cuz]

From your lack of knowledge AND your age, not using steroids yet is STILL the best advise!

I 've seen a lot worse lol

[DexterMorgan]

What about adding Test-e?

You can replace Test prop with e, but I would't add e to prop. Test is test, just different esters.
You can run it 500-600 mg/wk for 12-16 weeks.

[Armlegman]

Hence why iam on here... To gain more knowledge....

[Lunk1]

I 've seen a lot worse lol

Hence why iam on here... To gain more knowledge....

I agree but "seeing worse" doesn't mean your in any better position. Cycle 2 at 22 y.o.? Is a few lbs of muscle worth it? Are you in a position physically or mentally to compete?