15 week test cyp cycle expected gains?

**todd.linkon75** · 08-27-2013, 08:21 AM

Hey im just about to start my second cycle.. 15 week test prop at cyp cycle

test cyp 300mg twice a week for 15 weeks test prop for the first 4 weeks to kick start and last two weeks to ease off.. no PCT or anything thow..

Im going to eat clean with the macros 40, 40, 20 and 800 caleries above maintenance, training 6 days a week

How much muscle would i be expected to gain on this cycle and how much of a bf raise? im currently 11% BF

thanks guys

**Trevtrev** · 08-27-2013, 08:40 AM

Welcome. Curious what and when was your first cycle and how much did you gain & retain on that?

**todd.linkon75** · 08-27-2013, 08:46 AM

my first cycle was 5 months ago.. it was test prop and deca prop for the first 4 weeks and deca for 9 weeks no PCT, i gained roughly 18kg but i also added alot of bf i started on 12% bf ended up being like 20% i dirty bulked on mcdonalds thow... stupid mistake

**todd.linkon75** · 08-27-2013, 08:47 AM

my first cycle was 5 months ago.. it was test prop and deca prop for the first 4 weeks and deca for 9 weeks no PCT, i gained roughly 18kg but i also added alot of bf i started on 12% bf ended up being like 20% i dirty bulked on mcdonalds thow... stupid mistake retained about 4kg muscle

**bass** · 08-27-2013, 08:53 AM

if you keep doing what you're doing you'll gain more fat just like your last cycle. obviously you don't know what you're doing since you say no PCT! did you do PCT the first cycle? if not then you will keep the fat you've gained and lose whatever muscle you gained and end up completely shut down. good luck.

**Fcarey32** · 08-27-2013, 09:02 AM

Alright, lets get one thing straight, your diet determines the results. If people can eat 5k+ CLEAN calories a day, you can too. Dirty bulking does nothing positive for you at all. Steroids already affect your blood lipids & blood pressure. You need to get a diet plan down. Go to the nutrition section. I also recommend blood work to see if you even recovered from your previous cycle. An AI, HCG , and a pct are ESSENTIAL, to any cycle. Not trying to be an ass, but you really need to get your sh#t together before you cycle again man, you're doing more damage than anything for cycling like that. Just my .02

**fit2bOld** · 08-27-2013, 11:55 AM

Why no Pct are your crazy?

**AnabolicBoy1981** · 08-27-2013, 12:33 PM

i would take week 7 or 8 off from training, then resume. A 7-10 day break from training will guerentee recovery and continued progress on a long cycle. Over training is still possible on cycle. Also, after the break you may want to consolidate your training to 3 or four days a week. 6 days a week may work now, but as you grow bigger and stronger you will need more recovery time

**kelkel** · 08-27-2013, 12:39 PM

Agree with Bass and fcarey. Op you're going to hurt yourself. Leave the AAS alone for a while and educate yourself more. We are glad to help you. Hit the nutrition section, workout forum and Marcus's Diary for help.

**lightweight11** · 08-27-2013, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by todd.linkon75

i dirty bulked on mcdonalds thow... stupid mistake

I'll say. Did you think since you had anabolics in your system that was an excuse to eat like crap?

**todd.linkon75** · 08-28-2013, 03:03 AM

okay thanks guys, I dont know why i didnt do any PCT silly mistake... Its been 5 months off steroids , I'm pretty sure i would have recovered by now? so im going to start in a few days.. ive got my clean diet sorted out and my training in order, Just dont know what PCT i should be doing..

**bass** · 08-28-2013, 06:50 PM

I doubt you've recovered, only way to know is BW.

**todd.linkon75** · 08-28-2013, 10:18 PM

what are the risks if i just jump on now without knowing if ive recovered or not? say i wasnt completely recovered ... what would happen would i recover properly after this cycle is done

**Java Man** · 08-28-2013, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by todd.linkon75

what are the risks if i just jump on now without knowing if ive recovered or not? say i wasnt completely recovered ... what would happen would i recover properly after this cycle is done

Why would you? That's like saying 'my knee is already messed up so if I hyperextend it again before repairing it will it heal faster?'

You need to establish your natural hormone production, lipid profile, cardiovascular health and organ function. Best case you'll be fine. Worst case you could be putting the final nail in your coffin. You have no idea until you get tests done. You may not recover at all if youre already damaged and add more fuel.

**todd.linkon75** · 08-28-2013, 11:17 PM

yeah true, okay thanks for that im going to get blood work done asap, What should i tell my doctor? do i just ask for a general blood test or..?

**Back In Black** · 08-29-2013, 01:11 AM

Todd, can we get a pic of your current physique?

**Java Man** · 08-29-2013, 01:35 AM

Standard blood panel, kidney and liver screen are standard maintenance tests. I get them every 6 mos without need for an explanation beyond the obvious - Monitoring my physical health. Hormone panels are trickier. I don't have the link handy but you can get them online without a doctors order but insurance wouldn't be involved. Oop. This site has a forum dedicated to this subject.

**Java Man** · 08-29-2013, 01:37 AM

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**Java Man** · 08-29-2013, 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

Todd, can we get a pic of your current physique?

How much does that cat weigh BiB?

**Back In Black** · 08-29-2013, 01:56 AM

Originally Posted by Java Man

How much does that cat weigh BiB?

She is all fluff mate. About 5lbs tops in that picture at 18 months old. She should get to 7-10lbs eventually.

**Java Man** · 08-29-2013, 02:00 AM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

She is all fluff mate. About 5lbs tops in that picture at 18 months old. She should get to 7-10lbs eventually.

Oh jeez lol. Must be the angle. She looks like a 20 pounder to me there.

**bass** · 08-29-2013, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by todd.linkon75

yeah true, okay thanks for that im going to get blood work done asap, What should i tell my doctor? do i just ask for a general blood test or..?

list of panels you need to do,

http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-re...physician.html

**crazy mike** · 08-29-2013, 09:47 AM

OP, I didn't see anything about an AI use. But listen, you are doing so much wrong that you need not plan, you need to stop and back up and educate yourself on the proper way to plan and execute a successful steroid cycle.

There are many articles to read. Read up on PCT and Ai usage and why. Look up high Estrogen etc... Start reading and getting educated I say. Good luck ....crazy mike

**sprawl33** · 08-30-2013, 07:51 AM

I'm a lil confused by only using the testc with no stack like eq or at least something to give you what your looking for.
and the no PT is strange, I dontthink I've ever run a cycle with no pt...that doesnt seem right.
Best of luck to ya tho