Why not start Tamoxifen same day as last injection?

**KimboHalfSlice** · 08-30-2013, 08:09 AM

I've just taken my last injection: 1cc of Test400 (Test Enanthate + Test Cypionate + Test Priopionate).

I've been on steroids for far too long, it's time to come off if I want to salvage my own body's natural production of Testosterone and Sperm. Previously I was taking Trenbolone along with the Testosterone but I stopped the Trenbolone maybe about two months ago, so I've been on Test400 alone since then.

I've been taking hCG consistently throughout my cycle so I haven't noticed any testicular atrophy (and I normally get extreme testicular atrophy when I'm on a 19-nor steroid such as Trenbolone or Nandrolone ).

I hear people say that you should wait 2 weeks before starting PCT after your last injection of Test E.

I'm just curious... why not just start on the Tamoxifen today? Why do people suggest waiting two weeks?

Also... one thing I brought up before which I was considering doing, but which might not be a fantastic idea, but I was thinking of giving myself a heavy shot of hCG today to give my balls that one last kick before I let my own endocrine system take back over.

What do you reckon? Should I just wait 14 days from today and then start on Tamoxifen for 4 weeks? Or should I start popping Tamoxifen now and also give myself once last heavy shot of hCG?

**Back In Black** · 08-30-2013, 08:19 AM

What was your FULL cycle?

I thought you have been producing test through your cycle because you used HCG ?

**KimboHalfSlice** · 08-30-2013, 08:34 AM

In theory, yes, the hCG should have been keeping me producing Testosterone . The hCG has definitely stopped testicular atrophy but I've no idea what the quality of my semen is, nor do I know how much Testosterone my testicles are currently producing.

I just want to get back to equilibrium ASAP... I want my HPTA functioning naturally.

My steroid cycle got abruptly interupted because I had all my steroids and PCT drugs confiscated when I entered a particular country, but to give a rough estimation:

On for 2.5 months --- Off for 1.25 months --- On for 6 months

I've taken my last steroid injection now and I'm coming off, so obviously the smart thing to do is take Tamoxifen for 4 weeks straight. I'm just wondering if I should wait 2 weeks or whether I should start popping the pills right now?

Also I wonder if a heavy shot of hCG today might help things along... or should I just let my natural GnRH, LH & FSH get back to their normal levels of production?

**Capebuffalo** · 08-30-2013, 08:38 AM

Can you point me to where you found the info on hcg keeping your body producing testosterone while on cycle?

**Hazard** · 08-30-2013, 08:41 AM

When was your last hcg shot?

Why not run a low dose of hcg daily for two weeks - then begin an aggressive pct

**Back In Black** · 08-30-2013, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

Can you point me to where you found the info on hcg keeping your body producing testosterone while on cycle?

You don't remember?

**KimboHalfSlice** · 08-30-2013, 08:43 AM

I take it that's a rhetorical quesiton?

hCG is known to mimic the function of Leutinising Hormone which stimulates the testicles to produce Testosterone , so one could speculate that hCG keeps your testicles producing Testosterone while on cycle. I have no proof of this, but the lack of testicular atrophy might be an indicator that my testicles are still functioning at near-normal efficiency.

**Capebuffalo** · 08-30-2013, 08:44 AM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

You don't remember?

This isn't the guy injecting in his sack is it?

**KimboHalfSlice** · 08-30-2013, 08:49 AM

Where I injected the hCG isn't relevant. Could I please get some sound advice other than another circus thread?

**OnTheSauce** · 08-30-2013, 08:56 AM

The ester takes approximately 2 weeks to leave your system. That's why you wait. Otherwise your body will still read the higher testosterone levels and not try to produce any on its own

**Capebuffalo** · 08-30-2013, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by OnTheSauce

The ester takes approximately 2 weeks to leave your system. That's why you wait. Otherwise your body will still read the higher testosterone levels and not try to produce any on its own

But he's running hcg so that won't matter. Pay attention P.

Just spent 10 min on ops tren only thread. How did I miss that wealth of knowledge?

**Capebuffalo** · 08-30-2013, 09:03 AM

Originally Posted by Almond

Where I injected the hCG isn't relevant. Could I please get some sound advice other than another circus thread?

How is you injecting in your ball sack not relevant? Goes to credibility of the op. you. And it doesn't make you look too bright.

**KimboHalfSlice** · 08-30-2013, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

How is you injecting in your ball sack not relevant? Goes to credibility of the op. you. And it doesn't make you look too bright.

Other than for purposes of bullying, my credibility and intelligence is irrelevant.

What is relevant here is the advice I am seeking in this thread. The advice I'm seeking is how I should go about PCT after having being on for so long.

Originally Posted by OnTheSauce

The ester takes approximately 2 weeks to leave your system. That's why you wait. Otherwise your body will still read the higher testosterone levels and not try to produce any on its own

Thanks. I can see your logic in that the Hypothalamus will still detect a high androgen level because the exogenous Testosterone still hasn't left my system, but still I thought that starting on Tamoxifen right now might be a little bit beneficial in that it will have a small effect on my Hypothalamus to secrete more GnRH.

What do you reckon about one last heavy shot of hCG ? I was thinking of injecting 5,000 IU in one go today (yes I realise that's a high dose, but it's actually the typical dosage for people who haven't seen satisfactory recovery from PCT). However I'm reluctant to take any further hCG as I've heard concerns about the testicles becoming desensitised to LH and FSH as a result of prolonged or excessive use of it.

Right now I'm leaning toward starting the Tamoxifen right now and keeping going with for 6 weeks (without hCG), and then training without steroids for at least 6 months. I might even get my sperm and testosterone checked about 2 months after PCT to see what way I've recovered.

**Lunk1** · 08-30-2013, 09:47 AM

Mid June your cycle was Tren and HCG only. You planned to prove everyone wrong. Now your cycle was T400?

**DexterMorgan** · 08-30-2013, 09:49 AM

You can only absorb so much HCG in one shot. You said that you ran HCG throughout the entire cycle, then there's no need to blast.

How long exactly was your cycle?