Still Swelling, WTF

[Necromanncer]

So I am on week 4.5 of 700mg per week of Test E. dropped the dbol at the beginning of the week.

This cycle has not been smooth.
Swelling up and red 4-5 days post injection. Getting no PIP from time of inject until day 4 or 5 than BAM, trouble moving for the next 4 to 5 days.
Muscle gets extremely hard to the touch. Pegged a nerve bad in the glute, pegged a nerve in the delt. Back pumps have been brutal

Should I switch gear?
Is this somewhat normal?

All my boys on the same gear are fine.

[austinite]

Well let's see...

Swelling and redness of injection spot - Poor injection technique.

Muscles hard to the touch - That's how dianabol works.

Pegged a nerve in the glute and delt - Inject elsewhere

Back pumps - That's how dbol works.

[bass]

do you inject all 700mgs in one spot? if so you may want to split that. also try glutes, they can take more beating that any muscle in the body. if you get this reaction with smaller injections then most likely something wrong with your gear.

[Necromanncer]

I don't swell up and get hard in the inject site for 4 or 5 days... I would think if I was sticking myself poorly I would get damage sooner? No?

The taurine is helping the dbol pumps, I wasn't expecting them... It snuck up on me a bit...lol

[Necromanncer]

I'm shooting 1cc of 350mg/ml.

[Necromanncer]

I'm also swelling into the bottom of the tricep and bicep on a delt shot.

My glute shots aren't swelling as bad.

I'm freaked to hit my quads with this type if a reaction going on, I do have a job, lol!!

[austinite]

Your quad shots aren't swelling because they're easier to keep a steady hand. injecting with one hand in the glute, delts, triceps or whatever, is probably causing your hand to become unsteady. The tip of the needle is pretty much a blade. Too much movement and you're cutting up the fibers beyond necessity. Muscles don't like that so they react.

Since the swelling is going down after a few days, we know it's not an infection. And since it's not happening in all areas, it's pretty much injection technique that's left. Which is also the most common.

[Necromanncer]

Sounds legit, any chance the gear isn't completely absorbing by the time the oil does? (Crystallized Test?)

[austinite]

Sounds legit, any chance the gear isn't completely absorbing by the time the oil does? (Crystallized Test?)

If it crashes inside you, you'd have a considerable amount of pain. Everything is absorbed.

[Necromanncer]

Any tips on keeping it more steady?

I can't perceivably view my hand shaking or anything though...

[Necromanncer]

I would swear its crashing inside lol.

The pain is so fcuking extreme. I doubt most people would continue injecting knowing what's coming. I thought about wearing a sling today from my Delt shot on Monday. The pain was none existing up until yesterday.

[austinite]

I don't know what else to tell ya. try keeping your hand steady. Inject where you can use both hands, one to inject and one to hold the syringe.

Other than that, just locate your gonads.

[Necromanncer]

I'm man'ing up despite looking like I have taken baseball bat beatings... Thanks, I'll just keep on sticking.
All my buddies that are more season than I are at a lose of understanding... Maybe I'm allergic to Safflower Oil?! Idk

[austinite]

^ allergic? Wouldn't it happen every time?

Think........

[Necromanncer]

Your right.

[Necromanncer]

Just weird to me to think I would not get PIP right away...
And from my delt to my elbow... That's a lot of swelling... It's almost like I completely forget I shot in an area, than Bam!!!!!

[wrcat]

Just do what Austinite said. That's perfect advice. Have a buddy inject you. That's what I do. We all get together and poke each others butts. (No homo)

[austinite]

Well, your dang story keeps changing. Now it's a swelling from the delt all the way down to the elbow? Earlier you never said that. Who knows what you're doing man. Go see a doctor or change your dang gear if that's what you want to hear. It's as if you're overcoming objections as they come along, in hopes that you get that one answer that you're looking for.

Just make a decision. We'll be here all day in this thread otherwise.

[Mp859]

Just weird to me to think I would not get PIP right away...
And from my delt to my elbow... That's a lot of swelling... It's almost like I completely forget I shot in an area, than Bam!!!!!

What size needle are you using?

Maybe trying pushing the plunger slower if possible. If I'm in a rush and just fire hose it in there I can be sore for a little

[Necromanncer]

Go back and look at my previous thread, I always said it swelled all the way down.

I just thought I might have been missing something.

[Necromanncer]

Using 25ga pushing very slowly.

[Mp859]

Using 25ga pushing very slowly.

Well I'm out of ideas

[Necromanncer]

Sorry if I'm annoying, trying to determine if I need to keep toughing out this or change something.

[ghettoboyd]

test in that high a concentration doesn't agree with me pip wise unless I cut it with another compound...your pain could simply be caused by the higher concentration per ml of the compound itself I find imho...its odd though that your not feeling it like the next day after inject...anyways that's my 2cents....for free even lol...

[Necromanncer]

does this swelling that appears 4-5 days after inject in the delt look like a shaky/unsteady hand?

[austinite]

@ghettob

Makes sense, but you'd think it would happen all the time. He says it doesn't.

[Mp859]

<img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=143510"/>does this swelling that appears 4-5 days after inject in the delt look like a shaky/unsteady hand?

Looks like you need to switch gear by looking at that picture

[Necromanncer]

I had one inject not swell bad, that's all... Still swole but not as bad as some if these delts.
One ok glute shot... 8 of my 9 shots gave me these effects.

[Necromanncer]

Try Cyp, or another brand E?


Anyone else think I should switch?

If that isn't normal, then I'll switch, but I thought maybe its somewhat normal pip and redness...

[MajorPectorial]

Long esters. I only use short on tren

[ghettoboyd]

@ghettob

Makes sense, but you'd think it would happen all the time. He says it doesn't.

yea good point.....I missed that...

[Giggle]

The most obvious thing to me is poor technique in your prep. I try to remind people that for alcohol to be effective - it has to be DRY. To many people wipe alcohol on and then shoot immediately. Perfect setup for the bacteria on your skin to cause a cellulitis.
Just a thought...

[Necromanncer]

Interesting thought, I don't think I let it completely dry.

I'll try letting it dry all the way, THANKS!

[ninjaman85]

have you tried the z technique on your quad. works very well. and ya letting the alcohol dry is a biggie it needs time to completely kill the bad flora and bacteria on the skin. injecting over 5-8 seconds then keeping the needle in for 10 seconds after, then quickly withdrawing?

[kloter1]

id ****in switch gear man no reason to put up with that type of pain every week. When i was on t300 i had test flu every week and alot of post pain. i just pushed through it and it sucked. i wouldve loved to go down to regular 200mg/ml..

also i dont know how quickly you inject but it takes me about 30 seconds for 1cc, i go verrry slowly then let the needle sit there for another 5sec and then pull.

[ironbeck]

Sounds like it was brewed BA heavy...get another source, because the sounds of it, it is not worth it bro.

[thefirerises]

Did this start happening when you started a new vial? It could just be a bad batch or BA heavy like ironbeck said

[Necromanncer]

I'm gonna switch brands... I'll let you guys know. I have used slow inject technique etc...I'll try using z technique and waiting for the alcohol to dry better... Thanks!

[ChestNBack]

OP I just fishing my first 12 week cycle and everything that happened to you happened to me.

Dbol gave me back pumps around week three. Felt it when doing t-bar rows the most and when I was trying to sleep. Always kept me from sleeping. Once I stopped dbol I was good in about a week.

Had to get AB from doc for infection I got from bad injection technique in delt. Couldn't work upper body for almost 2 weeks.

Lastly I was getting the redness and hardness in injection spot usually 3 to 4 days post. The test was ligit as far as it being test. Could tell from libido and how much I was sweating all the time. Problem is that it was a bad cycle for me because my appetite was shot more than likely due to the mild infections I would get post injection. As soon as I finished my cycle and a week later my appetite returned to normal. Because I wasn't eating my normal amounts I didn't gain. The post swelling had nothing to do with injection technique the test had to have been contaminated. One thing that I did was use the same 18g pin to pull test into plunger. I kept that pin in a zip lock bag. 1 or 2 things cause the test to be contaminated. Either it was that 18g pin I always used to draw test or the test was contaminated from jump.

If your're still on that cycle with the same gear I would stop. With those mild infections you are getting your gear is more than likely dirty vs you doing bad injection technique. Then again I never hit a never when pinning let alone twice like you so maybe it could be injection technique. Either way stop cycle short. Do pct and that way you can start next cycle sooner with different gear. Good luck

[Capebuffalo]

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