test/tren or test/deca

**cagebrawler** · 08-31-2013, 04:20 PM

Anyone has good results running a low dose of test and a higher amount of tren or deca . I have heard of people doing a trt dose and 400mg plus of tren or deca and saying its great and brings less sides. Im looking for personal experiences and results.Thanks

**austinite** · 08-31-2013, 04:30 PM

I always run a lower dose of test alongside a high dose deca . Easier to manage E2, allows the secondary compound to do the work and relieves stress of progestin side effects, which are amplified in the presence of elevated e2. .

**cagebrawler** · 08-31-2013, 04:33 PM

Do you get decent result? I was thinking about doing 200-250mg of test cyp with 400 mg of deca . Playing with the idea of running tren but the sides kind of worry especially the added anger I dont need that working with the public lol.

**austinite** · 08-31-2013, 04:36 PM

Yeah, everything produces good results. Results have very little to do with the compound.

**cagebrawler** · 08-31-2013, 04:41 PM

Ya I know its all about diet training ect.. some people swear up and down you need a 2:1 ratio and you will waste your time otherwise or you will have deca dick and it will take months to recover from . Thats why im looking for people who have actually run cycles like this to see results and sides if any.

**austinite** · 08-31-2013, 04:43 PM

No such thing. Anyone that tells you that you need a specific ratio is clueless. That's a preference, nothing to do with science. And there is no such thing as "Deca Dick". Control E2 and you won't have progestin side effects.

**cagebrawler** · 08-31-2013, 04:45 PM

Thats what I thought and told people but i was called clueless. So would 250 test and 400 deca bring on pretty clean and solid gains as long as diet is in check

**austinite** · 08-31-2013, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by cagebrawler

Thats what I thought and told people but i was called clueless. So would 250 test and 400 deca bring on pretty clean and solid gains as long as diet is in check

lol. Tell them to join. I'll be happy to debate this

Yep. 250/400 will produce good results.

Read this to understand more...

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**cagebrawler** · 08-31-2013, 05:03 PM

Thanks alot really needed the info. Whats your thoughts on test tren same dosage.

**tectime** · 08-31-2013, 05:13 PM

I'll join you ! But not to debate. I ran my deca last go around at 100 mgs a wk high than tes and all went as planned. Tes 300 deca 400 beautiful little ride! First time running deca higher then tes and I truly think it was easier on all of the listed by Austinite and dude my Bp was much much lower then when I usually run 600 tes 400 deca when blasting and really I am very pleased with results.

**cagebrawler** · 08-31-2013, 05:38 PM

Awesome thanks man I think im gonna give it a try. Ive heard people say sides are almost non existent with lower test thanks for backing that up for me.

**cagebrawler** · 08-31-2013, 05:41 PM

One more thing id have dex or aromasin on hand would that be sufficient? Thats all I have used in the past but everyone now a days is saying caber is a must.

**austinite** · 08-31-2013, 05:43 PM

On hand would be a mistake. Use it. Don't store it. Either one is fine.

**cagebrawler** · 08-31-2013, 05:47 PM

Thats what I meant lol id run it through the cycle but would I need the caber or is that a waste.

**austinite** · 08-31-2013, 05:57 PM

^ I don't know. Blood work will tell.

**cagebrawler** · 08-31-2013, 06:03 PM

Ok thanks again im planning at starting around November hoping to put on some nice clean gains. I might log it on here

**Nobuddy** · 09-01-2013, 08:17 AM

Not speaking from personal experience! I DO however have a very close friend, who was competitive (successfully) and he USED TO do what you're suggesting. He would basically run a TRT dose of test and let the deca be the meat and potatoes of his cycle. We always argued about this because I always told him I personally wont run anything w/o 500mg test/week (this was before he started competing). Well, after he got a pro trainer and started competing he changed and has actually been up to a G/week of test. Not trying to give advice, I'm nowhere near qualified, but thought you might find HIS decision interesting.

As for the no such thing as "deca dick" I would have to disagree there. Even on a healthy dose of test, there was an incident where the deca put me "out of service" and there was absolutely no other explanation for it.

**fit2bOld** · 09-01-2013, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by Nobuddy

Not speaking from personal experience! I DO however have a very close friend, who was competitive (successfully) and he USED TO do what you're suggesting. He would basically run a TRT dose of test and let the deca be the meat and potatoes of his cycle. We always argued about this because I always told him I personally wont run anything w/o 500mg test/week (this was before he started competing). Well, after he got a pro trainer and started competing he changed and has actually been up to a G/week of test. Not trying to give advice, I'm nowhere near qualified, but thought you might find HIS decision interesting.

As for the no such thing as "deca dick" I would have to disagree there. Even on a healthy dose of test, there was an incident where the deca put me "out of service" and there was absolutely no other explanation for it.

The answer is uncontrolled estrogen not the deca. If your running deca and not using an AI for estrogen management your asking for problems.

It should be called estrogen dick.

**austinite** · 09-01-2013, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by fit2bOld

The answer is uncontrolled estrogen not the deca . If your running deca and not using an AI for estrogen management your asking for problems.

It should be called estrogen dick.

Exactly. Or as I like to call it.... "I failed at managing my estrogen, because gosh darn it, it's so dang hard to get blood work - dick".

**ardibulk** · 09-01-2013, 10:39 AM

Stronk

**BluPhin** · 09-01-2013, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Exactly. Or as I like to call it.... "I failed at managing my estrogen, because gosh darn it, it's so dang hard to get blood work - dick".

Lmfao. Right on brother

**OnTheSauce** · 09-01-2013, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Exactly. Or as I like to call it.... "I failed at managing my estrogen, because gosh darn it, it's so dang hard to get blood work - dick".

Waste of money as that one guy called it lol

**BluPhin** · 09-01-2013, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Yeah, everything produces good results. Results have very little to do with the compound.

What dose of test/deca do you use?

**JZANO12** · 09-19-2013, 11:33 PM

Looking for advice on my next cycle
6'1" 259Lb 15.5%
Test-E 600mg/wk
Tren -A 100mg/eod
Deca 400mg/wk
EQ300 600mg/wk
Avavar 50mg/ED
HCG 500IU/Wk
amridex .5mg/ed or .5/EOD

just looking to see if this a proper stack for 16 weeks
Test-E all 16weeks
EQ-1-8
tren-A 8-16
Deca 1-12
anavar 8-16

PCT- 1000iu/ed first 11 days
Nolva- week 2-3 40mg ed
4-5 20mgs

any suggestions on this would be much appreciated