HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

[austinite]

Aust quick question...how would the mixing formula become if the HCG came in 1500iu vials?

Are you asking me to do the math for you? I'll do it for you but I just want to be clear that's what you mean.

[Othello]

Are you asking me to do the math for you? I'll do it for you but I just want to be clear that's what you mean.

hehehe

Well its not the maths per se...its the qty of bac water that should be used in order to be able to easily measure 500iu ...from what i gathered, if i use 1ml of Bac water with the 1500iu powdered form, I would get a solution of concentration 1500 iu per ml. so 500 should be 1/3 of a ML...but I dont trust my maths in the mornings

[austinite]

How much hCG do you want in 1 CC?

[Othello]

How much hCG do you want in 1 CC?

Ideally id say 500 ius since ill be doing 2 shots per week...

[austinite]

Ideally id say 500 ius since ill be doing 2 shots per week...

For 500 IU per CC, you would add 3 CC of BAC water.

You see... 1500 divided by 500 = 3.

[Othello]

For 500 IU per CC, you would add 3 CC of BAC water.

You see... 1500 divided by 500 = 3.

I told you I dont trust my maths in the morning (which considering I did a double major of maths and computer science back at uni should say a lot :P)

again thanks man for the info....

when i look back at all the stuff I did!!!

heck on the last 2 cycles i was injecting myself a full 5000iu !!! once between last test pin and PCT and on the second cycle i was doing it every other week during the cycle...before that no HCG !!! no AI even!!!!!!

test less cycles, pin less cycles (primo tabs, andriol tabs, dbol , anapolon ARRRGH) but then I didnt know of this site prior to 2006...

it took me like 5 years to realize the sheer stupidity of broscience especially in Lebanese gyms...and today when I see guys gulping down whatever BS so called coaches hand them...it drives me mad. but I am straying OT here...

thanks again for sharing this info and I am not saying this to praise but its a deep thanks from the heart.

cherio.

[uoflcards]

Sorry to go back off topic but my post was made as pretty much a "what to do" type thing if you can't store HCG in your fridge. Me personally I can't because my lady does not know about my gear usage and I don't want her knowing.

Okay, back on topic.

[basketballfan22]

No adoration here, just straight to the questions.

1. Is refrigeration necessary for the same reason it is necessary to refrigerate urine? Does testosterone need to be refrigerated (sorry for the slight tangent)?

2. I know you warned us to not over think this, but that's what I do! If I do this with the same frequency as long-ester testosterone injections (i.e. every 3.5 days), should I do them on the same day? If so, does it matter what compound I inject first? If not, how many days after a testosterone injection should I inject the hCG ?

3. What is the ideal dilution? Does it matter? I assume the more concentrated the solution is, the more painful the injection will be, correct?

[austinite]

No adoration here, just straight to the questions.

1. Is refrigeration necessary for the same reason it is necessary to refrigerate urine? Does testosterone need to be refrigerated (sorry for the slight tangent)?

2. I know you warned us to not over think this, but that's what I do! If I do this with the same frequency as long-ester testosterone injections (i.e. every 3.5 days), should I do them on the same day? If so, does it matter what compound I inject first? If not, how many days after a testosterone injection should I inject the hCG ?

3. What is the ideal dilution? Does it matter? I assume the more concentrated the solution is, the more painful the injection will be, correct?

1. hCG is very sensitive when mixed with solution. Once it's mixed, it can degrade pretty fast. Even in the fridge, after about 90 days, it will lose potency daily until it's rendered useless. This is why you can't save it forever. In powder form, it will last several years. Even 100 years if frozen. Cold temperature preserves your compound, heat or even room temperature will destroy the mix rapidly. Even in the fridge, light should also be avoided, so it should be inside of a dark container.

2. Yes, you can do them on the same day. The only time it makes sense to to strategically time hCG injections, is when you're administering low replacement doses of testosterone, to help create a balance. This is one reason why it's important for TRT patients. But if you're running 500 mg per week for example, that will overpower anything that hCG can produce anyway.

3. Really depends on how much you want to inject. I never really get a sting unless I inject before the alcohol swab has dried. But anything with higher concentrations will be less comfortable than lower concentrations. Not necessarily unbearable. So I wouldn't worry about the sting.

[basketballfan22]

Thanks. I PMed you a couple more questions because I think they would be overly ridiculous if I posted them here.

[austinite]

Thanks. I PMed you a couple more questions because I think they would be overly ridiculous if I posted them here.

lol. Well, you're welcome to paste my reply here if you feel comfortable.

[basketballfan22]

Me: If the concentration doesn't really matter, one can feasibly add 1 mL of bacteriostatic water to 5000 IU of hCG so long as the hCG completely dissolved? I guess I don't really understand the need to have different amounts of water so long as you are able to do the math correctly.

This next question is going to sound ridiculous, so I apologize.

The math in determining the quantity to inject is very simple IF we assume the volume of the water is the same as the volume of the water AND the hCG. If I have exactly 5 mL of water, then I add 5000 IU of hCG, surely the volume will increase a little right? Therefore if I wanted 250 IU of hCG, I shouldn't take 1/4 of a mL; but instead I should take (1/20)(5 + x) of a mL, where x is the increase in volume (however small that may be).

Even sugar, as soluble as it is, adds additional volume to water. Why isn't this accounted for with hCG? I am sure this is being overly precise, but still.

Austinite: Yeah. But measuring in units sucks. most people prefer to pull to the 1/2 CC mark. Just a preference, no relevancy to potency or anything. With 5000 IU per ML, you'd be pulling 5 units. 1/2 a CC is 50 units. It's tiny and many people are on forums screaming... "Did I inject enough? I could barely see it". Just a preference. Especially if they're using a standard syringe, vs. an insulin pin. Also, some people draw both; testosterone and hCG into the same barrel and inject. Makes it easier to do so if it's not too concentrated.

You're correct with volume increase, but it's quite negligible. No one on earth that intends to inject 250 IU, actually gets exactly 250 IU. hCG is very effective, some folks don't need but 125 IU twice weekly to bring testes back. So even a 50 IU variance is not relevant. Because it's very forgiving, the excess volume is not accounted for.

Hope that helps.

[FRDave]

I personally mix and prefer 2ml of BW with 5000iu of HCG so I only have to inject .10ml (10 units) for a 250iu dose.

[Bignastie69]

OK so curious, as i have been told mixed things about hcg . my current cycle is test-prop 250mg/ml 1 1/2cc three times a week, plus taking 150mg drol.

In my mind my sex drive is still very strong, but not functionally properly when i want to. Ive been told that's the name of the game.
Reading your review and some others, it talks about helping this problem out some. and also to assist in recovery at the end of cycle. but the concern is being more fertile, i am married with no kids and we have no intentions right now for kids. rather not have a mishap. Curious what your thoughts are or what you know.

Thanks

[austinite]

OK so curious, as i have been told mixed things about hcg . my current cycle is test-prop 250mg/ml 1 1/2cc three times a week, plus taking 150mg drol.

In my mind my sex drive is still very strong, but not functionally properly when i want to. Ive been told that's the name of the game.
Reading your review and some others, it talks about helping this problem out some. and also to assist in recovery at the end of cycle. but the concern is being more fertile, i am married with no kids and we have no intentions right now for kids. rather not have a mishap. Curious what your thoughts are or what you know.

Thanks

Having a hard time finding a question there, Big. Fertility should not be an issue. hCG will help by saving your Leydig cells, which produce testosterone , which when coupled with FSH stimulate sertoli cells to make sperm.

If fertility ever becomes an issue directly due to FSH problems, you would use HMG, not hCG. But in any event, hCG is the first line of defense.

[NorthKorean]

great thread for a complete newbie <-----

Quick clarification. You said should not be used more than 2 months did you mean once you mix do not use the solution if its older than 2 months or not to administer the hCG for longer than 2 consecutive months.

[austinite]

great thread for a complete newbie <-----

Quick clarification. You said should not be used more than 2 months did you mean once you mix do not use the solution if its older than 2 months or not to administer the hCG for longer than 2 consecutive months.

Correct. Once it's mixed, you have 60 days to use it where it's potency is still effective. I've used it up to 120 days in the past. Still works, but a percentage of potency is depleted every day.

Powder form will last several years at room temperature, or 100+ years if frozen.

[Bignastie69]

Not worried about the fertility part really.

What i am looking for is basically a way to stay on cycle and my junk work a little more to the norm. My friends are telling me if i run hcg with drol, that they will cancel each other out. I understand the risk of cycling and that i take the chance of it not working properly. I just want it to work a little more, or should i say stay up longer.

[austinite]

Not worried about the fertility part really.

What i am looking for is basically a way to stay on cycle and my junk work a little more to the norm. My friends are telling me if i run hcg with drol, that they will cancel each other out. I understand the risk of cycling and that i take the chance of it not working properly. I just want it to work a little more, or should i say stay up longer.

If that's your only concern, please visit the Cialis thread. This thread is for those who want to be safe and maintain healthy now and in the future.

[Volkan]

I'm on this site I won't name unless asked for, they come in a 5,000iu vial and are named/priced as the following;

28 Day HCG Injections Kit
28 Day - $???.??

Not sure if I'm on the right page here :/ Kinda difficult shopping around for this.
It's categorised as a weight loss program, if I lose any weight I'll defs fall under 6% BF which is F*****.

Buying hcg from an online pharmacy would be the best bet though, right?

[austinite]

I'm on this site I won't name unless asked for, they come in a 5,000iu vial and are named/priced as the following;

28 Day HCG Injections Kit
28 Day - $********

Not sure if I'm on the right page here :/ Kinda difficult shopping around for this.

Edit your post immediately please, No price discussion on this board.

[BlueWaffle21]

I think Ausinite was giving the easiest way to mix it so that you can't possibly screw it up with the 5 cc's of Bac Water. If you can't get this straight then you shouldn't be juicing at all. I personally prefer 2 cc's so that I only have to shoot .1 so that there is less liquid going in my body. It's still easy math so some people don't get it I'm sure that is why he recommends the 5 cc's, it's just cut and dry that way.

Great write up!

[Volkan]

I'm not so if I should inject the hCG SubQ or IM, is SubQ painless, easy and comfortable ..? IM sounds the way to go but want your opinion Aust <3

And what needle for SubQ? 1" for glute?

[austinite]

I'm not so if I should inject the hCG SubQ or IM, is SubQ painless, easy and comfortable ..? IM sounds the way to go but want your opinion Aust <3

And what needle for SubQ? 1" for glute?

How To Administer hCG


Let's get a few myths out of the way...


Myth # 1: hCG must be injected subcutaneously. (This is not true, IM injections work just as well. Although SubQ is super easy and preferred)
Myth # 2: I cannot use hCG past 30 days (This is not true, use it for 2 months. It'll be fine)
Myth # 3: I can use oral hCG I got at the store. (This is not true and is simply a complete scam. Avoid it.)


How Much hCG do I need on cycle?


For cycling, 250 iu two to three times weekly will suffice. Do not use hCG back to back. If you choose twice weekly at that dose, run it every 3.5 days, just like you would with Test cyp. If you choose 3 times weekly, run it Monday, Wednesday and Friday. There's only so much stimulation that can occur with hCG, so you should never bother with doses in excess of 500 iu at once. If you're injecting 250 iu and after several weeks you're still experiencing some issues, increase your dose 100 iu's at a time, not to exceed 500 iu's twice weekly. Your weekly grand total should never have to exceed 1000 IU, ever.


If you inject your hCG subcutaneously, always be sure that you do not inject more than 0.6 CC at once. Volumes greater than 0.6 CC will result in lumps under your skin that can be quite uncomfortable and in some cases painful to the touch. This goes for anything that is injected subQ, including testosterone , B12 & hCG. This is volume related, not iu or milligram related. So be sure to mix your hCG with a concentration resulting in about half of a CC or less.


Injections in subcutaneous fat should be administered using a syringe with a high gauge. Some folks use a 27 gauge syringe, but I prefer a 29 gauge. Even a 31 gauge works great. Water based compounds get through the tiny bore with ease.


If injecting in a muscle, do not flex it. Just relax and inject. If injecting subQ, just find a good spot about 2 to 6 inches from the naval and inject.


That's all folks. Have a powerful day,

[kelkel]

How To Administer hCG


Let's get a few myths out of the way...


If injecting in a muscle, do not flex it.

Dammit.

[Volkan]

Yeah I read that post atleast 30 times, IDK why I asked that question, I think I needed reassurance lmao!

Something about them subq shots makes me feel light headed, what gauge would you recommend for a muscle shot? I'm using 25 1"s at the moment.

Thanks Austin!

edit; or do those subq gauge needles work the same for muscle, as you stated?, i'm still a b*tch with needles after 3 years, I go for like the maximum gauge that works when injecting anything lol...

[austinite]

23 to 25g 1 "

[Volkan]

Why have you got a shirt on? I wouldn't wear clothes anymore with that build, just sayin'

[base4291ball]

How To Administer hCG

Let's get a few myths out of the way...

Myth # 1: hCG must be injected subcutaneously. (This is not true, IM injections work just as well. Although SubQ is super easy and preferred)
Myth # 2: I cannot use hCG past 30 days (This is not true, use it for 2 months. It'll be fine)
Myth # 3: I can use oral hCG I got at the store. (This is not true and is simply a complete scam. Avoid it.)

How Much hCG do I need on cycle?

For cycling, 250 iu two to three times weekly will suffice. Do not use hCG back to back. If you choose twice weekly at that dose, run it every 3.5 days, just like you would with Test cyp. If you choose 3 times weekly, run it Monday, Wednesday and Friday. There's only so much stimulation that can occur with hCG, so you should never bother with doses in excess of 500 iu at once. If you're injecting 250 iu and after several weeks you're still experiencing some issues, increase your dose 100 iu's at a time, not to exceed 500 iu's twice weekly. Your weekly grand total should never have to exceed 1000 IU, ever.

If you inject your hCG subcutaneously, always be sure that you do not inject more than 0.6 CC at once. Volumes greater than 0.6 CC will result in lumps under your skin that can be quite uncomfortable and in some cases painful to the touch. This goes for anything that is injected subQ, including testosterone , B12 & hCG. This is volume related, not iu or milligram related. So be sure to mix your hCG with a concentration resulting in about half of a CC or less.

Injections in subcutaneous fat should be administered using a syringe with a high gauge. Some folks use a 27 gauge syringe, but I prefer a 29 gauge. Even a 31 gauge works great. Water based compounds get through the tiny bore with ease.

If injecting in a muscle, do not flex it. Just relax and inject. If injecting subQ, just find a good spot about 2 to 6 inches from the naval and inject.

That's all folks. Have a powerful day,

That's not in your hcg thread? Lol

[austinite]

That's not in your hcg thread? Lol

'Yes it is. Why would my answer change?

[base4291ball]

'Yes it is. Why would my answer change?

Sarcasm? Haha

[austinite]

^ Are you asking a question, or flooding? Just curious.

[teezer33]

Answered in the article, bud.

Well that cleared alot of issues up, my only problem is now that I am looking at your avatar, it's making me really hungry.

[cad78]

Austinite, which b12 do you use with your hcG ? I've been looking on amazon and there are quite a few different brands with quite a difference in cost. I'm on TRT and would like to do hcg and b12 in the same subq injection. I have read that you prefer the methylcobalamin b12, just wondering which exact one, some are combined with other ingredients.

Thanks

[austinite]

Austinite, which b12 do you use with your hcG ? I've been looking on amazon and there are quite a few different brands with quite a difference in cost. I'm on TRT and would like to do hcg and b12 in the same subq injection. I have read that you prefer the methylcobalamin b12, just wondering which exact one, some are combined with other ingredients.

Thanks

American Regent, Prescription. The only ones combined with other compounds should be Hydroxocobalamin.

[base4291ball]

Should I inject hcg same day as Testo e or on dif day or does it matter?

[austinite]

ON cycle, it does not matter when you inject.

[Mp859]

I usually do it the day before

[base4291ball]

I usually do it the day before

Thankss! Will prob do it 12h before test pin, thanks

[base4291ball]

Thankss! Will prob do it 12h before test pin, thanks

Any harm doing it same time as test?