HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

**seriouslifter** · 02-16-2014, 04:09 PM

so why does that mutant guy rich say HCG on cycle is pointless if you get the test from the injection. save it for PCT???

**kelkel** · 02-16-2014, 05:29 PM

Originally Posted by seriouslifter

so why does that mutant guy rich say HCG on cycle is pointless if you get the test from the injection. save it for PCT???

Who's that?

**austinite** · 02-16-2014, 05:45 PM

Originally Posted by seriouslifter

so why does that mutant guy rich say HCG on cycle is pointless if you get the test from the injection. save it for PCT???

Read the thread. Answered several times.

**MODO** · 02-16-2014, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by seriouslifter

so why does that mutant guy rich say HCG on cycle is pointless if you get the test from the injection. save it for PCT???

If you are accurately quoting him, then he has no clue what hcg does. Read the first page of this thread and then go explain it to him.

**ChrisG217** · 02-17-2014, 10:50 AM

question, i mixed it in a 10,000 iu bottle. so would it still be 25 on the slin pin for 250 iu"s?

**austinite** · 02-17-2014, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisG217

question, i mixed it in a 10,000 iu bottle. so would it still be 25 on the slin pin for 250 iu"s?

Mixed what? How much water did you put in a 10k bottle?

**ChrisG217** · 02-17-2014, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Mixed what? How much water did you put in a 10k bottle?

10 ml of bacteriostatic water

**austinite** · 02-17-2014, 11:47 AM

10,000 IU divided by 10ml equals 1000 IU per ml.

1,000 IU divided by 100 units (number of units on a slin pin) equals 10 IU per unit.

You want 250 IU, so 250 divided by 10 equals 25 units on a slin pin.

**ChrisG217** · 02-17-2014, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

10,000 IU divided by 10ml equals 1000 IU per ml.

1,000 IU divided by 100 units (number of units on a slin pin) equals 10 IU per unit.

You want 250 IU, so 250 divided by 10 equals 25 units on a slin pin.

Yes!!! I was correct!

**austinite** · 02-17-2014, 12:09 PM

Added to original post....

How the Math Works for Mixing hCG

I'm adding this segment because it seems a lot of people still don't understand how to calculate their doses after mixing. Note that CC and ML are the same thing. So here is the math to prevent anymore questions about this...

A standard insulin syringe can hold 1 CC in volume. Each barrel will have markings in 1 unit increments up to 100. So each CC displays 100 unit markings.

Step 1: Amount of hCG units in a vial DIVIDED BY total CC's of solution added = Amount of hCG you will have per CC.
Step 1 example: 10,000 / 10 = 1,000

Step 2: Amount of hCG per CC (result of step 1) DIVIDED BY 100 (number of units on a slin pin) = amount of hCG per unit.
Step 2 example: 1,000 / 100 = 10

Step 3: Amount desired per injection DIVIDED BY amount of hCG per unit (result of step 2) = Number of units to draw from your mixed vial.
Step 3 example: 250 IU / 10 = 25 units. You would draw 25 units, or a quarter of a CC on a slin pin.

Hope that clears it up.

**ChrisG217** · 02-17-2014, 12:18 PM

I use slin pins that go up to a half cc. Doesn't matter though, 25=250 iu

**austinite** · 02-17-2014, 12:27 PM

just use the math I just provided.

**Alinjr** · 02-17-2014, 12:52 PM

Good post

**bansheeman** · 02-18-2014, 04:24 PM

Can you recover from Leydig cell desensitization? What is the treatment for it? I realize HRT will treat it but can it cure it?

**austinite** · 02-18-2014, 11:21 PM

Originally Posted by bansheeman

Can you recover from Leydig cell desensitization? What is the treatment for it? I realize HRT will treat it but can it cure it?

HRT (T therapy), does not treat desensitization. Where did you get that idea? The opposite, in fact. Your question is answered in the original article.

Yes, it's possible to re-sensitize cells. With hCG or HMG. This is not guaranteed at all. (not even really close).

**swaggypzero** · 03-02-2014, 08:21 PM

Ok so since I was the one of the people who wasnt sure about this, I am going to put my understanding of what you explained to the test to ensure I now understand HCG mixing.

Step 1: Amount of hCG units in a vial DIVIDED BY total CC's of solution added = Amount of hCG you will have per CC.
Step 1: My case 5000 units/2 CCs of solution added=2,500 (amount of hcg per CC)

Step 2: Amount of hCG per CC (result of step 1) DIVIDED BY 100 (number of units on a slin pin) = amount of hCG per unit.
Step 2: My case: 2,500 / 100 = 25

Step 3: Amount desired per injection DIVIDED BY amount of hCG per unit (result of step 2) = Number of units to draw from your mixed vial.
Step 3 My case: 250 IU / 25 = 10 units. So i would draw 10 units on my slin pin.

Is this correct? Did i mess up anywhere?
Thanks!

**austinite** · 03-02-2014, 08:56 PM

Maybe someone can chime in for you. I can't do this.

**MODO** · 03-02-2014, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by swaggypzero

Ok so since I was the one of the people who wasnt sure about this, I am going to put my understanding of what you explained to the test to ensure I now understand HCG mixing. Step 1: Amount of hCG units in a vial DIVIDED BY total CC's of solution added = Amount of hCG you will have per CC. Step 1: My case 5000 units/2 CCs of solution added=2,500 (amount of hcg per CC) Step 2: Amount of hCG per CC (result of step 1) DIVIDED BY 100 (number of units on a slin pin) = amount of hCG per unit. Step 2: My case: 2,500 / 100 = 25 Step 3: Amount desired per injection DIVIDED BY amount of hCG per unit (result of step 2) = Number of units to draw from your mixed vial. Step 3 My case: 250 IU / 25 = 10 units. So i would draw 10 units on my slin pin. Is this correct? Did i mess up anywhere? Thanks!

If 100 slin pin markings = 1 cc, then yeah.

You were smart enough to figure out the formulas, you can double check your work too I'm sure!

**swaggypzero** · 03-02-2014, 09:17 PM

Awesome, yeah my 100 mark equals out to 1 cc/ml. I pretty much triple checked but just wanted to make sure i didnt make an error anywhere.

**MODO** · 03-02-2014, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by swaggypzero

Awesome, yeah my 100 mark equals out to 1 cc/ml. I pretty much triple checked but just wanted to make sure i didnt make an error anywhere.

I don't know if I would be mixing 5000 IU with only 2 CC though.

**swaggypzero** · 03-03-2014, 06:57 PM

Originally Posted by MODO

I don't know if I would be mixing 5000 IU with only 2 CC though.

Why's that? Something I should be looking out for?

**DAAS** · 03-03-2014, 07:02 PM

Cause Rich is a bro.

Originally Posted by seriouslifter

so why does that mutant guy rich say HCG on cycle is pointless if you get the test from the injection. save it for PCT???

**MODO** · 03-03-2014, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by DAAS

Cause Rich is a bro.

ha... PhD in Broscience for sure...

**maverick68** · 03-04-2014, 11:31 AM

As with all your posts.. Great job! Thank you.. its so difficult to weed through various threads to figure out whats right and whats wrong. I have read tons of postings and I get more and more confused everyday becuase one person will say something and another will say the complete opposite. You seem to be an extremely knowledgable member of this forum not just because of the number of posted you've written but by the depth and quality of information you post. Again, I say thank you. It has helped me learn so much. Keep up the great work!

**db11** · 03-04-2014, 12:09 PM

Can i use an empty 10ml test vile to mix my hCG

**MODO** · 03-04-2014, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by db11

Can i use an empty 10ml test vile to mix my hCG

Risk of infection if you re use stuff without sterilizing.

Also, residual test is not something you want in your hcg if you plan on running the hcg right up to pct start time.

**EasyDoesIt** · 03-04-2014, 05:46 PM

I agree with MODO, you can purchase sterile vials from the site sponsor. Sometimes hcg comes in ampules and you can pre load syringes or buy a STERILE VIAL.
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**db11** · 03-05-2014, 03:14 PM

Thanks for the help

**CoolStroybro** · 03-05-2014, 04:04 PM

Is HCG sub-Q shots painful ? I use slin pin to inject it around my navel. It really hurts my when I am pressing. Any tips ? Is it because air bubbles?

**austinite** · 03-05-2014, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by CoolStroybro

Is HCG sub-Q shots painful ? I use slin pin to inject it around my navel. It really hurts my when I am pressing. Any tips ? Is it because air bubbles?

lessen the volume or inject elsewhere. Should be painless.

**devil-1986** · 03-06-2014, 03:21 AM

hi dear austinite ,i have a one question about hcg during cycle , i know timing doesn't matter but for example if i inject one dose of test in Saturday 8 am should i inject hct and test at the same time ? or take test at Saturday 8 am and hcg 8:30 am ? or take test at am and hcg at pm ? or maybe take test at Saturday 8 am and take hcg at Sunday 8 am ? what is the best plan that you suggesting ?

**austinite** · 03-06-2014, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by devil-1986

hi dear austinite ,i have a one question about hcg during cycle , i know timing doesn't matter but for example if i inject one dose of test in Saturday 8 am should i inject hct and test at the same time ? or take test at Saturday 8 am and hcg 8:30 am ? or take test at am and hcg at pm ? or maybe take test at Saturday 8 am and take hcg at Sunday 8 am ? what is the best plan that you suggesting ?

Devil, it does not matter when you take hCG . Just be consistent.

**deegee71** · 03-06-2014, 02:22 PM

Austinite I have 10000 unit vial. Per direction says to mix 5ml of bac water. My needles are .5 ml/cc . so by your formula 10000 divided by 5ml back is 2000. 2000 divided by 100 units is 20. So 20 on my needles is 250 units of hcg ?

**deegee71** · 03-06-2014, 02:29 PM

The bac water vial has 10ml in it. Maybe I should just put the whole 10ml in the 10000 unit vial of hcg to make it easier and just do 25 on needle

**EasyDoesIt** · 03-06-2014, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by deegee71

The bac water vial has 10ml in it. Maybe I should just put the whole 10ml in the 10000 unit vial of hcg to make it easier and just do 25 on needle

If the vial will hold it you can. If instructions say to 5ml it may not hold it. Just go with HALF of dosage if you cut bad water in half, thats all there is to it.

**swaggypzero** · 03-08-2014, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by MODO

I don't know if I would be mixing 5000 IU with only 2 CC though.

This question was missed, sorry I wanted to ask why mixing 5000 IU with 2 CCs could be bad?? Is it just in terms of the pain associated with injecting or something else?

Thanks

**EasyDoesIt** · 03-09-2014, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by swaggypzero

This question was missed, sorry I wanted to ask why mixing 5000 IU with 2 CCs could be bad?? Is it just in terms of the pain associated with injecting or something else?

Thanks

Seems like you're complicating this way more than necessary. 5000iu's of hcg powder. That equals 5cc bac water right. If you want to keep it simple and add less bac water, then you would add 2 and a half cc's bac water. Now your solution is DOUBLE POTENCY. So you cut your injection in half from the 25 mark and that gives you a potency of 250iu's hcg per injection. Your done! No need to create extra math for yourself.

**swaggypzero** · 03-09-2014, 06:51 PM

I wasn't asking for a calculation, I already figured my stuff out. Modo posted above (after I posted my finished calculation) that it was correct but that he wouldn't mix ONLY 2 CCs of water, so I was asking why. If you look at earlier posts on this page, you can see it. I am not complicating anything, just wanted to find out why he thought that.

He posted this above
"I don't know if I would be mixing 5000 IU with only 2 CC though."

Thanks

**EasyDoesIt** · 03-09-2014, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by swaggypzero

I wasn't asking for a calculation, I already figured my stuff out. Modo posted above (after I posted my finished calculation) that it was correct but that he wouldn't mix ONLY 2 CCs of water, so I was asking why. If you look at earlier posts on this page, you can see it. I am not complicating anything, just wanted to find out why he thought that.

He posted this above
"I don't know if I would be mixing 5000 IU with only 2 CC though."

Thanks

Can't speak for anyone else, but i would just assume his thoughts are same as mine, as it makes the calculations more complicated. Just easier to cut in half.

**Rellim** · 03-14-2014, 05:32 PM

If you have 5mls of water and then dissolve it with 5000 IU's of hcg we now have a new volume of liquid that is no longer 5mls.

However we are dealing with such small amounts that the difference wont be enough to cause any harm, the difference would be negligible.

EDIT-After a rough calculation the difference in volume would be sooo tiny that this post should be ignored.