Future cycle thoughts, need to clear things up

[Jax2Swol]

What's up! I'm planning a future cycle that will be consisting of mild compounds such as test e and mast e. I would like to run short esters but I already have some of the vials. I have test e at 300mg/ml and mast e at 250mg/ml. (I always read where it is dosed at 200 but I do not know If that's average prop or enath)

I want to run a 300 test and 250 mast for 8 weeks then up the dose to 600 and 500 for another 8 weeks.

Is this smart or should I just stick to the higher dose for 12 weeks?

I read Ronnie Rowland's thread on slingshot training and it kinda changed my whole outlook on AAS. I will use HCG week 8-16 if I do this. Also I will have arimidex on hand and clomid and Nolva pct.

What do you guys think? Is it pointless for such a long cycle?

[austinite]

No. I don't recommend Yo-Yoing with your doses. Choose our dose and stick to it. If you stop at 8 weeks, you'd be giving up the 4 most effective weeks.

300 test and 250 mast will do nothing at all.

[Jax2Swol]

I was talking about running it all together but just increasing dosages at the 8 week mark but thanks I will just stick to the higher dose for 12. Appreciate the input ! ��

[austinite]

Yeah I'm still confused. Easier to understand when you lay out an actual cycle. Here's the deal...

Decide if you want to run a maintenance dose of Testosterone , or a higher-effective dose. As for Masteron , anything less than 500 mg is a waste of time and money. Preferably, 600mg.

So either 250 test and 600 masteron both with Enanthate esters, for 12 weeks.

Or 500/600 for 12 weeks.

Or the same as above with short esters for 8 weeks.

Running short esters of Masteron as a "kick start" won't do much.

[Jax2Swol]

Obviously my post isn't as direct as it should be so here was my original plan

Weeks 1-8
Test e 150 x2
Mast e 125 x2
Weeks 9-16
Test e 300x2
Mast e 250x2

Now here is the changed layout
Weeks 1-12
600 mg of test weekly
500mg of mast weekly.


I want to use short esters in future but I already have enathate.
I never stated that I'd kickstart with prop. Sorry if post was confusing was waiting on my class to start.

[austinite]

Ok. Go with the second layout with long esters.

[Jax2Swol]

Ok. Go with the second layout with long esters.

Quick question, I often feel like my gains halt around 10-11 week mark. Previously on my last cycle I thought it might've been diet and started consuming more cals and still didn't grow any during the last 2 weeks. So to benefit me if I see gains halting. Should I end the cycle and go ahead and start pct or is there a trick that I do not know about?

[austinite]

There's no trick other than diet. If you're eating and not growing, then you're expending more calories than you eat. It's that simple. It's literally, physically and scientifically impossible for a human to consume calories in excess of expenditure and not gain weight. That would be a medical condition that needs attention.

[Jax2Swol]

There's no trick other than diet. If you're eating and not growing, then you're expending more calories than you eat. It's that simple. It's literally, physically and scientifically impossible for a human to consume calories in excess of expenditure and not gain weight. That would be a medical condition that needs attention.

**** me running. I completely forgot about that. Been doing dreaded lawn service in horrible Arkansas weather. Never came across my mind. Much appreciated.

[songdog]

I agree with Austin on this as always.But if your gains quit just up your cals a bit bro.

[Jax2Swol]

I've decided I really want to try fast acting esters and do a "Short Burst Cycle". I think the reward to risk ratio is better. I'd like to use test prop and mast prop and run it for say about 30 days. I do not however plan on doing this any time soon (within next 2 years) I am under the age of 25. But I have ran them before but after countless hours of reading some very informative threads I've decided to postpone the usage of AAS until I'm am ready.

I will prime before getting on this cycle. But I'm confused when people often run higher dosages during these short burst cycles. If someone who isn't on that advanced level would an average recommended dose for a 8 week cycle consisting of test prop be beneficial during a 30 day period? Or would you recommend to not try this method if not a "Highly" experienced user? I have all the Time in the world to read threads and educate myself before I even run this.