How to properly run liver support on orals?

[brazuka]

What supplements at what dosages and at what time frame do you take for liver support... suppose you are running dbol and you have NAC 600mg caps would that be enough and when would you take it for and how long and what dosages? On the web I found many mixed answers can somebody help me out please, thanks!

Also your supposed to get in 1-2 gallons of water daily so how often should you do cardio to minimize the bloat? Consider you are an ectomorph and burn through calories like nothing. On my normal workouts I don't do any cardio and I'm still pretty lean.

One last thing is if you feel your nipples start to get super puffy the dbol does will raising the dosage on your ai help reduce this? I hear gyno on dbol sneaks up on you quick. Thank you

[austinite]

This is what I do with NAC...

600mg daily year round. Increase to 1200mg for an injectable steroid cycle. Increase to 1800mg - 2400mg in the presence of oral steroids . Obviously use the lower dose for mildly toxic steroids such as Anavar , and the heavier dose for toxic steroids such as Dianabol .

Timing is not relevant. If you're taking more than 600mg, just split it up.

Water intake should always be high. I don't know about 2 gallons, I wouldn't have room or food if I drank that much. A gallon is plenty. Cardio and more water to minimize retention. You can also tweak your diet.

[brazuka]

Ok thanks I have 100 caps so I will get another bottle to up the dosage. *I was going to ask if you have never supplemented with it before would it be beneficial to start a week or two prior to your cycle say at 600mg a day?* But the caps are so cheap I'll just do it anyways. Then up the dosage and halfway through decrease it again then run it until it runs out... Thanks!

[C3RB3RUS]

And what about LIV 52? in the states it's known as liver care and it's made by the Himalaya company? is NAC all that's necessary? supposidly LIV 52 has been around forever and is said to have been tested and proven effective. i'm not saying all of this is true; i'm just asking for some quick insight as to it's approval around here.

[austinite]

Sure. Start now and use it forever.

[austinite]

NAC is superior to EVERYTHING that is available over the counter. Everything.

That being said, UDCA and Liv52 are both very effective drugs. They're just limited. NAC benefits are far too broad to be compared. It's the Gold Standard, as LowT Mike would say.

[brazuka]

Hmmm the price of dinner for one where I work is how much it would cost to run 600mg of NAC for the entire year. I used to do fish oil and multi vitamins but they got pretty expensive since I used Orange Triad brand but the nac seems manageable definitely going to look into it.

[austinite]

Multivitamins are worthless. So are fish oils if you don't take them with Vitamin E.

Btw.., NAC is used clinically, post transplants.

Check the article sticky, there's detail on NAC/UDCA.

[brazuka]

Anything cheap that I can take for wrist pain? No clue how I got it on my right hand but I feel slight pain when I do close grip bench press, military press, and lateral raises. Has been over 5 weeks with 2 weeks completely off from the gym. The pain is so minor but it is definitely annoying, esp on those 3 exercises. Would glutamine be the only thing that could help it or is there a cheaper alternative?

[austinite]

Well anything you take will just mask the problem. Is it injured? Couple grams of Burdock root should yield some relief.

[brazuka]

I'm not sure it is really hard to locate the exact spot on my wrist where I feel the pain. If I had to guess I would say it's on the right side of my right hand where that bone that pops out a bit on your wrist is. Right below it or around it, I honestly can't pinpoint the location of the pain. I feel it greatly when I do close grip bench press though as I'm going down, so I try to keep my grip as firm as possible, wrist as straight as possible and complete control of the movement but it's still kind of there.

Tomorrow will be shoulder day so I will see how it acts when I start to do military press and side lateral raises.

[austinite]

Yeah, straight bars suck for wrists. Partly why I haven't used them in years. No bench press, no upright rows.... always DB's, much easier on the wrist and frankly, far more effective.

[Navidzx]

This is what I do with NAC...

600mg daily year round. Increase to 1200mg for an injectable steroid cycle. Increase to 1800mg - 2400mg in the presence of oral steroids . Obviously use the lower dose for mildly toxic steroids such as Anavar , and the heavier dose for toxic steroids such as Dianabol .

Timing is not relevant. If you're taking more than 600mg, just split it up.

Water intake should always be high. I don't know about 2 gallons, I wouldn't have room or food if I drank that much. A gallon is plenty. Cardio and more water to minimize retention. You can also tweak your diet.

can i use 600 mg nac straight for a year ? is there any side effects? in iran i found it as Effervescence and i read some bad side effect on Lung

[Cuz]

can i use 600 mg nac straight for a year ? is there any side effects? in iran i found it as Effervescence and i read some bad side effect on Lung

600mg of NAC is perfectly fine for running year round. I wouldn’t trust any article that came out of Iran or was associated with it, and i have never read anything with nac having negative side effects on the lungs

[SampsonandDelilah]

I’d consider why you’d want to run it year round? What are your liver values and why do you feel the need to support it 365?

Liver values are notoriously skewed in the body building arena

[Littlearnie]

600mg of NAC is perfectly fine for running year round. I wouldn’t trust any article that came out of Iran or was associated with it, and i have never read anything with nac having negative side effects on the lungs

He didn’t say where the paper was written just that he’s from Iran and they call it something else. There’s a lot of bullshit On the internet! Don’t be so quick to dismiss an entire country. You don’t actually believe the shit that they say on the propaganda sorry I mean news do you...

[Cuz]

He didn’t say where the paper was written just that he’s from Iran and they call it something else. There’s a lot of bullshit On the internet! Don’t be so quick to dismiss an entire country. You don’t actually believe the shit that they say on the propaganda sorry I mean news do you...

Maybe you didn’t hear me, FUCK IRAN. Lol

[SampsonandDelilah]

600mg of NAC is perfectly fine for running year round. I wouldn’t trust any article that came out of Iran or was associated with it, and i have never read anything with nac having negative side effects on the lungs

You got your answer...

[Littlearnie]

The ignorance of men that come from comfortable parts of the world and are taught who to love and who to hate will be the end of us all!

“Fuck Iran”, can I ask why you say this? Surely you have your own actual reasons... and then the man who likes this comment, he must have his own.. I wonder what so many Iranian people have done to you, what have you seen?

[Cuz]

can i use 600 mg nac straight for a year ? is there any side effects? in iran i found it as Effervescence and i read some bad side effect on Lung

Here is some evidence for Acetaminophen (Tylenol) poisoning. N-acetyl cysteine is effective in reducing the death rate and preventing the permanent harm caused by acetaminophen poisoning. For this use, N-acetyl cysteine given by mouth is as effective as N-acetyl cysteine given intravenously (by IV).
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Complete or partial lung collapse (atelectasis). N-acetyl cysteine helps treat collapsed lungs caused by mucus blockage.
Lung tests. N-acetyl cysteine is helpful when used to prepare people for diagnostic lung tests.
Care of people with a tube placed in their windpipe (tracheostomy care). N-acetyl cysteine helps prevent crusting in people with a tube in their windpipe.
Possibly Effective for

Chest pain (angina). Taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth or injecting it intravenously (by IV) seems to improve chest pain when used with the drug nitroglycerin. Intravenous N-acetyl cysteine seems to help prevent nitroglycerin tolerance. Taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth might also help prevent nitroglycerin tolerance, but results are conflicting.
Autism. Some research shows that taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth improves irritability in children and adolescents with autism. But N-acetyl cysteine doesn't seem to improve other autism symptoms such as hyperactivity, social withdrawal, lethargy, repetitive behaviors, and inappropriate speech.
Swelling (inflammation) of the main airways in the lung (bronchitis). Taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth seems to reduce shortness of breath and coughing in people with air passage swelling due to mustard gas exposure. Also, taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth for 3-36 months seems to prevent flare-ups in people with persistent air passage swelling. However, taking it for less time does not seem to be effective.
A lung disease that makes it harder to breathe (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease or COPD). Taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth for at least 6 months seems to decrease flare-ups by about 40% and improve sputum (phlegm) consistency in people with moderate to severe COPD. It seems to work best in people who are not already taking corticosteroids. In people with COPD who need to be hospitalized due to a flare-up, taking N-acetyl cysteine in addition to regular treatment helps with recovery.
Kidney damage caused by contrast dyes (contrast induced nephropathy). Research shows that taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth, with or without other drugs, helps prevent kidney problems caused by dyes used during some X-ray exams in people with poor kidney function It does not seem to lower the risk of kidney problems caused by dyes used during X-ray exams in people with normal kidney function or people with diabetes.
Serious kidney disease (end-stage renal disease or ESRD). Taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth seems to help prevent problems, such as heart attack and stroke, in people with serious kidney disease. The risk reduction can be as much as 40%. However, N-acetyl cysteine doesn't reduce the overall risk of death or the risk of death from heart disease in these people.
Seizure disorder (epilepsy). Taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth seems to help treat a certain type of epilepsy seizure.
High levels of homocysteine in the blood (hyperhomocysteinemia). Taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth seems to reduce homocysteine levels, a possible risk factor for heart disease.
High levels of cholesterol or other fats (lipids) in the blood (hyperlipidemia). Taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth seems to reduce levels of a blood fat called lipoprotein(a) in people with high levels of this blood fat.
Toxicity in people taking the cancer drug ifosfamide (Ifex). Taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth seems to help prevent side effects of ifosfamide (Ifex). This drug is used for certain types of cancer. But the drug mesna (Mesnex) seems to work better than N-acetyl cysteine.
Flu (influenza). Taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth seems to reduce flu symptoms.
Heart attack. Giving N-acetyl cysteine intravenously (by IV) along with the drug nitroglycerin seems to help maintain heart function and reduces heart damage in people having a heart attack. Sometimes the drug streptokinase is also used along with N-acetyl cysteine and nitroglycerin.
Possibly Ineffective for

Lou Gehrig's disease (amyotrophic lateral sclerosis or ALS). Injecting N-acetyl cysteine intravenously (by IV) doesn't seem to improve ALS symptoms.
A lung disease that affects newborns (bronchopulmonary dysplasia). Giving N-acetyl cysteine through a hole in the windpipe does not seem to prevent breathing problems in premature infants.
Cannabis use disorder. Taking N-acetyl cysteine doesn't seem to improve symptoms of depression or help reduce use of cannabis in teens and adults with cannabis use disorder.
Cystic fibrosis. Taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth or inhaling it doesn't seem to improve lung function in people with cystic fibrosis. However, N-acetyl cysteine might reduce markers of swelling in people with cystic fibrosis when taken by mouth in high doses.
Heart damage caused by the drug doxorubicin. Taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth doesn't seem to prevent or treat heart damage caused by doxorubicin, a drug used to treat certain types of cancer.
An inherited disorder marked by sensitivity to light (erythropoietic protoporphyria or EPP). Taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth doesn't seem to reduce light sensitivity in people with EPP.
Swelling (inflammation) of the liver (hepatitis). Taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth doesn't seem to help treat viral hepatitis. It also doesn't seem to improve response to interferon therapy in people with hepatitis C. However, it might help prevent relapses in people with hepatitis C.
HIV/AIDS. Taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth doesn't seem to improve immune function or reduce the amount of virus in the body in most people with HIV. However, it might improve immune function in people with HIV who have low levels of glutathione, a chemical in the body that is formed from N-acetyl cysteine.
Low blood pressure. Taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth doesn't seem to reduce the risk of kidney failure in people with long-term low blood pressure.
Inability to become pregnant within a year of trying to conceive (infertility). In women with fertility problems who are taking the fertility drug clomiphene citrate, taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth does not seem to improve pregnancy rate or miscarriage rate.
Liver transplant. Injecting N-acetyl cysteine intravenously (by IV) during surgery to donate a liver and keeping the liver in a cold liquid containing N-acetyl cysteine before the liver transplant doesn't seem to prevent transplant rejection in liver transplant recipients.
Swelling (inflammation) of the pancreas (pancreatitis). Taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth doesn't prevent pancreatitis in people undergoing a certain diagnostic procedure that can cause pancreas swelling. Also, injecting N-acetyl cysteine intravenously along with selenium and vitamin C doesn't seem to prevent pancreas dysfunction in people with serious pancreatitis.
Health problems after menopause. Taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth doesn't seem to prevent bone loss after menopause.
Recovery after surgery. Taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth or injecting it intravenously (by IV) doesn't seem to reduce the risk of heart attack, stroke, kidney injury, or death after heart surgery. N-acetyl cysteine might help prevent abnormal heartbeats after heart surgery, but results are conflicting. N-acetyl cysteine by IV doesn't seem to reduce the risk of complications after liver surgery.
Likely InEffective for

Alzheimer disease. Taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth doesn't improve symptoms of Alzheimer disease.
Head and neck cancer. Taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth doesn't prevent new tumors or improve survival in people with head and neck cancer.
Lung cancer. Taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth doesn't prevent new tumors or improve survival in people with lung cancer.
Multiple organ failure. Injecting N-acetyl cysteine intravenously (by IV) might increase the risk of death in people with multiple organ failure.
Insufficient Evidence for

A sudden and serious lung condition (acute respiratory distress syndrome or ARDS). Some research shows that injecting N-acetyl cysteine intravenously (by IV) reduces the risk of death and improves some aspects of lung function in people with ARDS. However, conflicting research exists.
An inherited disorder that affects the nervous system and adrenal glands (adrenoleukodystrophy or ALD). Early research suggests that taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth or injecting it intravenously (by IV) might improve survival and stabilize brain function in some people with ALD.
Altitude sickness. Early research suggests that taking N-acetyl cysteine doesn't prevent anorexia or other eating problems associated with altitude sickness.
Hearing loss caused by drugs called aminoglycosides. Taking N-acetyl cysteine while receiving aminoglycosides might prevent hearing loss caused by these drugs in some people.
Asthma. Early research suggests that inhaling a combination of N-acetyl cysteine plus isoproterenol improves lung function and decreases sputum (phlegm) thickness in people with asthma.
Athletic performance. Some early research shows that injecting N-acetyl cysteine intravenously (by IV) before and during exercise, or taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth for a few days prior to exercise, might improve the performance of well-trained athletes. But taking just one dose of N-acetyl cysteine by mouth before exercise does not seem to improve the performance of well-trained cyclists.
Disorders affecting bile flow in the liver. Early research shows that receiving N-acetyl cysteine by IV after surgery for liver obstruction might help to speed up how quickly liver health improves.
Bipolar disorder. Early research shows that taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth does not improve symptoms of mania but might reduce depression in people with bipolar disorder.
A lung condition in which the airways become enlarged and scarred (bronchiectasis). Early research shows that taking N-acetyl cysteine seems to reduce the risk for a flare-up of symptoms in people with bronchiectasis.
Canker sores. Early research shows that rinsing the mouth with N-acetyl cysteine in water for 30 seconds might help with pain and healing of canker sores.
Liver damage caused by cancer drug treatment. Early research shows that receiving N-acetyl cysteine by IV might help with liver healing in children with liver damage from cancer drug treatment.
Nerve damage in the hands and feet caused by cancer drug treatment. Early research shows that taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth reduces the risk of nerve damage in people receiving oxaliplatin, a drug used to treat certain types of cancer.
Long-term kidney disease (chronic kidney disease or CKD). Taking N-acetyl cysteine doesn't seem to reduce kidney injury in people with CKD. However, N-acetyl cysteine given by IV seems to reduce kidney injury and heart problems in people with CKD that are having heart surgery.
Surgery to improve blood flow to the heart (CABG surgery). Early research suggests that N-acetyl cysteine does not prevent death or improve outcomes after surgery in patients undergoing heart bypass surgery.
Cocaine use disorder. Some early research shows that taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth reduces the desire to use cocaine in people who are cocaine dependent. But conflicting results exist.
Colon cancer, rectal cancer. Taking N-acetyl cysteine by mouth may reduce the likelihood of colon and rectal cancer in patients with a history of adenomatous colon polyps.
Tooth plaque. Early research shows that using a mouthwash containing 10% N-acetyl cysteine may reduce plaque. But using a mouthwash containing only 1.25% N-acetyl cysteine doesn't seem to work.


We use this stuff to help protect our organs from steroid abuse . Research shows it has healing properties mainly liver and kidney. Which is why i take it

[Cuz]

The ignorance of men that come from comfortable parts of the world and are taught who to love and who to hate will be the end of us all!

“Fuck Iran”, can I ask why you say this? Surely you have your own actual reasons... and then the man who likes this comment, he must have his own.. I wonder what so many Iranian people have done to you, what have you seen?

Not here to argue with you guy. I said what i said and it is for political reasons. I do not care if ive offended you or you dont like me. Have a nice day

[Littlearnie]

Not here to argue with you guy. I said what i said and it is for political reasons. I do not care if ive offended you or you dont like me. Have a nice day

I’m not offended and I like you, I have no real reason not too. I was bored and curious why people say such things so I ask. but most defiantly not the forum for it lol. Wmd’s?? Loool ok I’ll leave it.

[SampsonandDelilah]

It started in 1979 bro...








It’s way off topic now, but maybe this will fill you in why we Americans aren’t so fond of Iran. The pictures are just a small glimpse into it...

Cuz more than answered your questions.

[SampsonandDelilah]

Ironic that this was in the headlines today...

https://apple.news/AAkqnnwGVTvWJxViUJXda5Q

Sounds like a fucking utopia Little Arnie, you should pack up and head that way.

[Littlearnie]

It started in 1979 bro...








It’s way off topic now, but maybe this will fill you in why we Americans aren’t so fond of Iran. The pictures are just a small glimpse into it...

Cuz more than answered your questions.

So you see a picture along with a news headline and that’s all it takes!...

Ok here’s a pic of Americans burning the flag, are they now yo ur enemy?



Oops no sorry that’s an actuall American!

Here they are





So more enemies for you?


Oh an American racism started way before 1979...




Cus answered nothing lol, I was going to leave it but your comment I couldn’t. Don’t be fooled just because you live in America. People are people and we are all the same just divided by the crazy power hungry that control every different country! We now call them politicians, I guess some still call them king!

[Littlearnie]

Ironic that this was in the headlines today...

https://apple.news/AAkqnnwGVTvWJxViUJXda5Q

Sounds like a fucking utopia Little Arnie, you should pack up and head that way.

Your confusing the Iranian people (Persians) with the Islamic state who took hold during the time they overthrow their shar in 1979! More of a power play by America to stop the Russians taking hold.

Like most you just fooled by propaganda of your country. If you hear it on the news question it! Stop believing what your told without question. Humans have this dumb sense of patriotism to just the land they were born and care nothing for the rest. We are all from earth! Fuck the divisions those before have drawn in the sand! Divided they Conquer is all!

If you wanna continue how about a dm or a different forum lol.

[SampsonandDelilah]

Your confusing the Iranian people (Persians) with the Islamic state who took hold during the time they overthrow their shar in 1979! More of a power play by America to stop the Russians taking hold.

Like most you just fooled by propaganda of your country. If you hear it on the news question it! Stop believing what your told without question. Humans have this dumb sense of patriotism to just the land they were born and care nothing for the rest. We are all from earth! Fuck the divisions those before have drawn in the sand! Divided they Conquer is all!

If you wanna continue how about a dm or a different forum lol.

Take it to the lounge then, oh enlightened one...

You burn that flag, you’re my enemy, simple as that. Especially these ANTIFA fucks that you chose to attach.


You know nothing of Patriotism obviously or what it takes to raise a flag.
CNN is not my Shepard and I don’t need your dime store version of Iranian/American relations.

It’s obvious from your barely passable syntax and sentence structure that English isn’t your first language but I’m sure you’re more than qualified to teach me a thing or two about the country that I live in and have fought for.

Ashes to ashes dust to dust or whatever quasi philosophical bullshit you’re trying to pass off. How’s that?

I’ve given you enough of my attention and yes Cuz did answer everything. He gave you what you needed to know about liver support and he gave you what you need to know about Iran...FUCK THEM.

You still confused?

[Littlearnie]

Take it to the lounge then, oh enlightened one...

You burn that flag, you’re my enemy, simple as that. Especially these ANTIFA fucks that you chose to attach.


You know nothing of Patriotism obviously or what it takes to raise a flag.
CNN is not my Shepard and I don’t need your dime store version of Iranian/American relations.

It’s obvious from your barely passable syntax and sentence structure that English isn’t your first language but I’m sure you’re more than qualified to teach me a thing or two about the country that I live in and have fought for.

Ashes to ashes dust to dust or whatever quasi philosophical bullshit you’re trying to pass off. How’s that?

I’ve given you enough of my attention and yes Cuz did answer everything. He gave you what you needed to know about liver support and he gave you what you need to know about Iran...FUCK THEM.

You still confused?

Just stick to juicing in your trailer because you are past ignorant.

And it’s no supprise what is obvious to you is the furthest thing from the truth. your passive attempt at racism lol! I am English and from England. You can attack my “syntax” lol because you obviously have no real understanding of the world you live.

The country “you” live and “you” fought for lol. Did you glaze past my picture of a “real American” , I think you call them “native” or “Indians” now!

This uneducated blind patriotism that you And many have from all over the world is what gives fuel to the fire. But don’t worry build your wall, grab them by the pussy and go demonstrate against corona lol.

Merrica, fuck yeh!

[SampsonandDelilah]

Go fix your fucking teeth you limey fuck.

You forget about India and the rest of British Imperialism?

You hypocritical piece of shit. You can’t even keep your borders safe and you’ll all be speaking Farsi soon enough.

[SampsonandDelilah]

At least this dumb cunt agrees, isn’t she one of yours?

Looks like you don’t all feel the same, aye mate?

You’re the one watching the news, you don’t know fuck all pal. You’re what we call an “arm chair quarterback”. You don’t know anything about that though. Get fucked home boy, you wouldn’t last 5 minutes.

Not once did I mention Trump, Covid or race. I said Fuck Iran. Let me guess? Your parents take you to England to save you from your own people when they fled the Shah? Something struck a chord there little Arnie. I give two shits about Trump and nowhere did I mention BLM either. How quick you are to jump to assumptions. Keep watching the news you feeble minded fuck.

Thanks for the laugh....

A fucking Brit talking about taking over countries from their indigenous inhabitants, that’s fucking hilarious. Thanks for the laugh you fucking clown. Oh sorry, wanker.

Get fucked.

https://youtu.be/qcVYPYLlJe4

[Booz]

I’m a limey fuck and proud of it!
Born and bred.....
Can’t say the same for the other
Threads closed it’s old and so is the argument...