Quick Question about timing

[anon7]

Hey all,

Quick question about a cycle i am about to begin - plan on running 8 weeks Anavar with 250mg Test E as a base, have enough Test for 10 weeks so would I be better off running:

1.)The Test and Anavar starting at the same time so i would finish the Anavar and have 2 weeks of just Test left after the Anavar is done?

2.)The Test for two weeks before starting the Anavar so I finish both at the same time?

3.)Begin the Anavar 4 weeks after the Test E so I am running Anavar only for two weeks after last Test injection?

I have AI/SERM on hand and I am ready to get started next week, just could not decide what the best way to run these together would be.

Any help is appreciated!

[Bio-Active]

How about listing your stats?

[MuscleInk]

How about listing your stats?

.....and here we go once again with the "got my AIs ON HAND" none sense.

[anon7]

Stats:

5'6''
160lbs
11-13% bf - not 100% sure as i am only going on sight and not an official measurement
Diet has been on 40/40/20 for a while now

I understand that I probably could put on more weight naturally but my goal is not really to gain much weight, i would just like to decrease BF % while getting a bit stronger.

[anon7]

.....and here we go once again with the "got my AIs ON HAND" none sense.

not sure what you mean by this? why would i not have everything together before starting the cycle?

[MuscleInk]

not sure what you mean by this? why would i not have everything together before starting the cycle?

Many guys make the mistake of thinking they only need an AI if side effects appear. The AI is to prevent and minimize side effects related to elevated estrogen (which WILL happen on cycle if you understand how the HTPA regulates systemic hormones).

Have you determined your TDEE to know what your daily intake requirements are for growth or reducing body fat?

[anon7]

Many guys make the mistake of thinking they only need an AI if side effects appear. The AI is to prevent and minimize side effects related to elevated estrogen (which WILL happen on cycle if you understand how the HTPA regulates systemic hormones).

Have you determined your TDEE to know what your daily intake requirements are for growth or reducing body fat?

Gotcha,

I do have arimidex which i was debating running along with the cycle but i was under the impression that with that low of a dose of testosterone and anavar that it may not be necessary so i figured i would start only if it was needed.

I have nolva and clomid but waiting for when the cycle is over but i would rather save the arimidex for another time if its not going to really be useful this go around.

I have determined TDEE and have been just hitting maintenance lately because i am fairly happy at my current weight and even during the cycle i do not want to gain/lose a ton of weight i would just like to lower body fat and gain strength. If i do gain weight i am ok with that obviously, the ultimate goal is just to look better.

Any thoughts on the question i asked in the first post? Or do you think that it will not make much of a difference?

[crazy mike]

.....and here we go once again with the "got my AIs ON HAND" none sense.

This is so aggravating to go on and on about this. Hey guys I' got a rope and safety belt on hand in case I fall, then I can go get it....!!! OMG where is common sense here. I got my AI in case I get Gyno the I can...uh reverse it ??? Guess what too late. Also why don't they realize it is for Estrogen control because that's what causes the Gyno and so many other problems. ...crazy mike


I am just LMAO writing this... ...cm

[crazy mike]

If the low dose raises you testosterone level you E2 will go up. Low dose or not plug in the AI for E2 control. You have to understand the why's we do these thing and what the body does. ...crazy mike

[ppwc1985]

I think a lot of it is they honestly just don't know, I didn't before I came to this site either. There are other forums where that's what they tell them. On top of that they don't educate before they medicate. I know it's hard but for most of them this is true so we need patience even though it's an everyday thing, sometimes a 5 times a day thing.

[anon7]

thank you for explaining it that way, it makes sense. As im sure you know there are a ton of forums about the subject and each one seems to have its own theories about when/how to use an AI.
So would you recommend .25 arimidex EOD? (seems to be a standard recommendation on other forums)

[crazy mike]

thank you for explaining it that way, it makes sense. As im sure you know there are a ton of forums about the subject and each one seems to have its own theories about when/how to use an AI.
So would you recommend .25 arimidex EOD? (seems to be a standard recommendation on other forums)

Yes , that's the standard protocol. But you must watch your E2 with BW. Now as the other forums, Bunk. Listen this AI is not an opinion that's why you need to educate yourself. Understand the why. What it's for, the main purpose. It doesn't reverse Gyno, it's not to be on hand if things or your Estrogen gets out of level. It is preventative medicine, so when you hear the people with different opinions you then need to find the real medical protocol and why. Gyno is a result of high testosterone causing high E2 causing these productions in the human body. OK ! ...crazy mike

[anon7]

Yes , that's the standard protocol. But you must watch your E2 with BW. Now as the other forums, Bunk. Listen this AI is not an opinion that's why you need to educate yourself. Understand the why. What it's for, the main purpose. It doesn't reverse Gyno, it's not to be on hand if things or your Estrogen gets out of level. It is preventative medicine, so when you hear the people with different opinions you then need to find the real medical protocol and why. Gyno is a result of high testosterone causing high E2 causing these productions in the human body. OK ! ...crazy mike

I understand, and thank you. Any opinion on my original question in the OP?

[atmjw]

he never put his age with his stats

[atmjw]

I understand, and thank you. Any opinion on my original question in the OP?

sounds like this is your first cycle?? if so leave out the anavar

[anon7]

he never put his age with his stats

Geez, I was just hoping for an answer to my original question not to be drilled about stat's...


24, will be 25 in 2 months
5'6''
160lbs
11-13% bf - not 100% sure as i am only going on sight and not an official measurement
Bench - 245
Dead - 395 (mental block wont let me hit 400 lol)
Cant squat often anymore due to knee issues related to injury i got playing NCAA lacrosse
Diet is in check and has been for a long time

Would appreciate ANY input into my original question as this thread is now 15 comments in without any advice on what i wanted to know.

[anon7]

sounds like this is your first cycle?? if so leave out the anavar

2nd cycle technically, 1st cycle was low dose of just Test but honestly i was not ready for it yet at the time and was kind of just wimping out by using only 200mg. Did not run an AI alongside it which is why I was unsure about that, just used nolva/clomid afterwards. Did not experience any negative effects but also did not have significant gains as i was only running a very low amount.

[atmjw]

austinite did a great job here READ IT!!!

My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

even though anavar is pretty easy on you you really shouldnt put them together this early in your game and plus its weak you need alot to get anything out of it

[anon7]

austinite did a great job here READ IT!!!

My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

even though anavar is pretty easy on you you really shouldnt put them together this early in your game and plus its weak you need alot to get anything out of it

I have enough to run 70mg for 8 weeks so that should be plenty. I am really interested in the Anavar because of its reputation for removing visceral fat, so i would like to keep it.. I am planning to run it beginning 2 weeks after i start my 10 weeks of Test-E so that they finish at the same time. Thoughts?

[crazy mike]

Hey, second cycle , leave out the Var. Do a good cycle with test only. Min 500mg week /2 if you want a better start then kick it with 100mg test prop EOD and .25 mg Arimidex EOD all the way up to proper protocol PCT. Technically I feel if your only other cycle was 200mg wk you weren't cycling . I would say this is the first ...crazy mike

To me you have your answer. NO time plug in the Anavar, your body is not primed for this yet. Do as you please, but that' my answer

[atmjw]

My thoughts ... leave it out and get a little more educated on here before you do anything get your ai's add some hcg boost your test some and save the anavar for a year or 2 or give it to your gf it works exceptionally well for women IMO .... and really im no expert and dont claim to be there are way more knowledgeable people on here then me im only like 7 cycles ever but i wish when i started i knew everything that was on here ... read man educate yourself Austinite has some great stickys Very knowledgeable all the pros on here are really educated an helpful if you are honest with them and take the time to educate yourself and really none of us know better then them so dont argue if you dont like what they say ... there hear to help not grill ya