Win injectable vs win pills

[BIGTOY79]

Hello all,

Can you please provide me info concerning the diff between win injec. and win pills ?

I know pills are harcher on the liver but is there any positive aspects of it comapre to win injec. ??

[austinite]

same thing.

[qscgugcsq]

as far as I know they are both liver toxic.

maybe injectable is a bit less I dont know.

but either way injectable do not worth the extra pin IMO

plus, there is some impurety in UGL product.
orally impurety arent a big concern however injectable are.

your choice.

personnally I would go with oral.

[t-dogg]

as far as I know they are both liver toxic. maybe injectable is a bit less I dont know. but either way injectable do not worth the extra pin IMO plus, there is some impurety in UGL product. orally impurety arent a big concern however injectable are. your choice. personnally I would go with oral.

How can you say that?


In a UGL they can screw pills up just as much. Imagine taking a pill and cutting it in half. One side has all the winny and the other is just filler, get it?

[redz]

I found the injectable version simply too painful. I could barely walk after a shot. Oral is the way to go, I do love me some winny at the end of a cycle.

[Lunk1]

Take either one orally. There are benefits and down sides to both administrations but I highly doubt most ppl notice.

[austinite]

Take either one orally. There are benefits and down sides to both administrations but I highly doubt most ppl notice.

lol, what? He's comparing the methods...

[Lunk1]

lol, what? He's comparing the methods...

I thought he was comparing tabs to injectable. Perhaps I should have said there is little difference and I would take them both orally anyhow.

[Bert]

Pills are usually way cheaper.

[crazy mike]

Hello all,

Can you please provide me info concerning the diff between win injec. and win pills ?

I know pills are harcher on the liver but is there any positive aspects of it comapre to win injec. ??

The only thing I will say. Is if you have ever done Pharm grade, White injectable Winstrol you will know the difference between it and Tabs. Also the liver problem is greater as we know. I don't know what else to say to the question? ...cm

[NWIron]

Injects avoid the first pass into the liver and is therefore less toxic. If you get tired of pinning everyday, you can also take INJ Winstrol orally….although it tastes pretty bad. The rate of absorption is slightly higher in the injectable product.

[>Good Luck<]

The only thing I will say. Is if you have ever done Pharm grade, White injectable Winstrol you will know the difference between it and Tabs. Also the liver problem is greater as we know. I don't know what else to say to the question? ...cm

Pharmaceutical grade winstrol ??? Suppose you get it at the pharmaceutical grade tren shop too? Their both veterinarian drugs I'm pretty sure, not designed for human use. We just use it anyways.

Winstrol can be taken in pill form, injectable, or you can even drink the sh!T right out the bottle. It is not esterfied, and will have the same effects on liver regardless. ..imo

[qscgugcsq]

How can you say that?

In a UGL they can screw pills up just as much. Imagine taking a pill and cutting it in half. One side has all the winny and the other is just filler, get it?

reread what I wrote...

injection bypass the natural defense your body have.
so if their is a potential harmfull subtance. injectablr have greater risk to cause problem over oral.

why do you think injectable have to be sterile when oral do not need too??
because our body have defense again what is ingested orally.

[Bert]

reread what I wrote...

injection bypass the natural defense your body have.
so if their is a potential harmfull subtance. injectablr have greater risk to cause problem over oral.

why do you think injectable have to be sterile when oral do not need too??
because our body have defense again what is ingested orally.

I agree with that statement.

[crazy mike]

Pharmaceutical grade winstrol ??? Suppose you get it at the pharmaceutical grade tren shop too? Their both veterinarian drugs I'm pretty sure, not designed for human use. We just use it anyways.

Winstrol can be taken in pill form, injectable, or you can even drink the sh!T right out the bottle. It is not esterfied, and will have the same effects on liver regardless. ..imo

Winstrol V as a vet uses it is made from a pharmaceutical company. It isn't made from an Ugl. I'm not talking about brew in the tub crap. Unless you have done Winstrol V from a pharmaceutical company You have no clue as to what I say. The Vet that I used to get it from it was ordered from a legit Pharm Co. Do you know what the difference is in this case. DO you know about the PH difference or just what you are even saying. I don't think so. Talking about esters do you know what Winstrol V is? It was an ED injection 100mgs.

My experience came right from the phar co. By the carton with a Vets license back in the 80's they don't use it much anymore for pets.

AND if you paid attention I said the oral has more liver damage potential. I did not say there was no liver potential. Please read what I said not what I didn't say.
Now if there is as much liver problems with this injectable I talk about, then stop telling people to stay away from orals for that reason and stay with injectable.

Please get your facts before you say anything. Thank you ...crazy mike

[crazy mike]

Hello !!!! Read this before you say what you don't know.

Veterinary steroids used in human


If you are about to take anabolic steroids for enhancing body performance and for increasing muscle mass than you should actually know what are the sources they come from. Since over the last years the number of americans who used steroids raised to six millions ( unofficially this number can be quite higher) the market of anabolics has been invaded by many unlegit steroids providers.


There are three classes of steroids that are currently available: human grade, underground grade and veterinary steroids. Human grade steroids are designed for treating different human diseases. They are manufactured by pharmaceutical companies that meet a set of national and international standards. Human grade steroids are produced in sterile environment, and are consistently dosed. Contrary to this, underground grade steroids are at high risk of being contaminated with different bacteria, are underdosed and produced in poor sanitary conditions. In consequence, the price is much lower than in case of human grade steroids.



But in this article we will talk about veterinary steroids, which are largely used among bodybuilders for their properties. Veterinary steroids are also called horse steroids, as they are designed to be used in horse but not only. However, during the time some of them began to be very appreciated by bodybuilders due to their low side effects and amazing anabolic properties.



Veterinary steroids are good steroids since they are produced in sterile condition, following the quality measure in the place of their production. But we can not talk about the same level of control as in case of human grade. The same thing can be said about ingredients and doses, but one is for sure that they are better monitored as in case of underground grade steroids where no control is taken.

Is this more clear for you. ...crazy mike

[NWIron]

Sandoz also makes pharm grade Winny

[DAAS]

Injects avoid the first pass into the liver and is therefore less toxic. If you get tired of pinning everyday, you can also take INJ Winstrol orally….although it tastes pretty bad. The rate of absorption is slightly higher in the injectable product.

Winny is a 17aa and is liver toxic even when injected. Although slightly more when taking orally. Like Austinite said they're basically the same thing. If you have a good source then go oral. Why waste time and extra money pinning it.

[Lunk1]

Disclaimer: I did not write this nor did I want to post a link to the the site or quote the author for obvious reasons but it is very informative if you care to read it all

I tend to shy away from straight “information” articles- in other words, I’ve never written the “How Androgens Work” article, because I’ve read it several times by several authors, and I really have nothing to add. Gene Transcription and Androgen Receptor Action has been written about over, and over, ad nauseum. All of the articles I’ve read on the topic are well written and well- they’re all the same. Don’t get me wrong, all of the articles which discuss the topic are very informative, but when you’re done reading them, you don’t really have anything you can “use” in your next cycle.

And I’m sure you know the difference between orals and injectables, but do yourself a favor and read this article, because I’m going to explain some things in here that you can use in your next cycle. Actually, I’m going to explain how you can use Winstrol (Stanozolol ) as either an oral or injectable, and get a very different set of effects from the same drug- depending on which route of administration you choose to utilize.

First, lets go over the basics of Winstrol, so we’re all on the same page here.

Winstrol is a steroid derived from the base structure of Dihydrotestosterone (DHT). DHT is just testosterone which has been 5alpha-reduced, meaning it has had the c4-5 double bond removed by two hydrogen atoms. This is very interesting from a chemical/biological standpoint. Once this bond is removed, testosterone has become DHT, and DHT is the body’s most potent androgen. DHT has a slew of beneficial effects which are more pronounced than the hormone it’s created out of. DHT is able to increase androgen receptor proliferation for almost 24 full hours (1) DHT also has profound effects on the Central Nervous System (CNS), and this is why we often see profoundly increased aggression with athletes who are using DHT derivatives such as Masteron (which has a deceivingly low anabolic and androgenic rating). As an added benefit, DHT can not aromatize (convert via the aromatase enzyme) into estrogen. It’s also noteworthy that the injectable version of Winstrol is actually the same exact thing as the oral- it’s just micronized Stanozolol powder suspended in water (or sometimes oil).

So what we have in Winstrol is DHT with two modifications- an added c17 methylation, and a very weird “pyrazol” group. The c17 methylation has been added in order to allow Winstrol to survive oral ingestion and the subsequent first pass through the liver. The pyrazol group is a bit weirder- what this means to you and I is that it has another whole “ring” attached to the four ring Steran Nucleus of DHT. Take a look over at the lower left portion of the two molecules below, and you’ll notice that Winstrol has an added cyclopentane (5 sided) group (the pyrazol group):


DHT

Winstrol


When we really take a look at Winstrol, the anabolic rating of this product is very high (320% that of testosterone) as compared to its androgenic actions (30% of testosterone). Despite this, Winstrol is really a disappointing drug for size gains. What we typically see with this stuff is some pretty decent strength gains and some nice fat loss if the user isn’t too sloppy with their diet. Not many people report huge weight gains off of Stanozolol. Although many drugs which bind tightly to the androgen receptor are suspected to exhibit their at least some of their lipolytic (fat-burning) effects through receptor binding affinity. The effects of androgens on the regulation of lipolysis in adipose precursor cells.(2), Winstrol remains a potent cutting drug, despite the fact that it has a relatively weak AR binding ability (3). What this tells me is that there’s some stuff going on with regards to Winstrol’s mechanism of action, which doesn’t involve androgen receptor mediated effects. Still, Winstrol is a very potent compound for enhancing protein synthesis (4-5 ) .

As previously discussed, it’s derived from DHT, and DHT is known to have ant-estrogenic effects (6) and Winstrol itself also has anti-progestenic properties (in at least some cases, where it may “block” that receptor) (7). So I think it’s safe to say that some of the “hard” look you can get in your physique from Winstrol is because of it’s ability to inhibit estrogen and progesterone- known culprits in making a physique appear smooth. Unfortunately, since it is 17aa, it is also liver toxic, especially more so when you inject it and it is subject to what is known as the “first pass” through the liver. The difference between taking oral vs. injectable Winstrol, even though it’s technically the same drug, is how and when your body metabolizes it. When you consume a drug orally, that drug is absorbed from the Gastrointestinal tract, where it then passes via the portal vein into the liver -where some drugs are metabolised. This “first pass” can mean that only a certain portion of the drug reaches your body’s bloodstream. As previously discussed, a 17aa has been attached to Winstrol to allow a sizeable portion to survive this metabolism.

First pass metabolism can occur in both the gut and the liver, and where this happens can vary with different drugs. First pass metabolism actually occurs in your gut for some drugs and in the liver for others. Once it has been metabolized, it enters the bloodstream. It’s important to note that when a blood is metabolized in the Gastrointestinal tract, the blood leaving the Gastrointestinal tract does not go right to the heart, but actually still passes through liver via the hepatic portal vein and then ultimately returns to circulation via the hepatic vein. The liver is your body’s filtration unit, and removes large quantities of nutrients, dangerous toxins (or fun toxins, depending on what they are) and other substances from the blood.

So as you can see, when you take an oral steroid such as Winstrol, undergoes a first-pass metabolism in the both the intestines as well as liver. Some drugs can be absorbed more or less totally intact, after only moderate metabolic activity, while some are absorbed only after very extensive metabolic activity. Once it is through this first pass, a given drug then circulates in the blood until it is acquired by another tissue, such as skeletal muscle. Now, if the drug reaches the liver again, it may undergo what is cleverly known as “second-pass” metabolism. Of course, in the case of Winstrol, an injectable version is available, and when we compare the oral and injectable versions of Winstrol and their effects in your body, I think there’s some surprising differences. The injectable is (naturally) put right into your bloodstream and only undergoes the far less extensive second pass metabolism, while the oral must endure the gut and liver on it’s first pass before ending up in circulation.

Now, here’s the interesting part: When you inject Winstrol, instead of taking it orally, you actually get more nitrogen retention (4) (and hence we can infer, more new muscle tissue is being built). SO if you are trying to use Winstrol to build new muscle tissue, the injectable version is going to be far superior to the Oral version. However, there are some advantages that the oral version has over the injectable, including a possible “synergy” with other drugs- but only (primarily) when taken orally.

While in the liver, on it’s first pass, Winstrol is exposed to a variety of enzymes and proteins. To understand how a possible synergy between Winstrol and other steroids may be possible, a little background on Sex Hormone Binding Globulin (SHBG) is first necessary. For our purposes here, all we need to know is that SHBG is a glycoprotein produced in the liver, which binds to testosterone and makes it biologically unavailable to do all the things we want it to do- like building muscle. It serves to transport testosterone throughout the body, but while it remains bound to testosterone, the testosterone can not exert it’s anabolic effects.


As you can surmise, a very large portion of the testosterone in your body is bound to SHBG. Wouldn’t it be great if we could lower SHBG? With Winstrol we can.

A fairly conservative oral dose of .2mg/kg of Winstrol has been shown to lower SHBG by close to 50%. (8)For me (200lbs) this would mean I would only need around 18mgs/day to free up half of my SHBG bound testosterone! For my omnipresent and hypothetical “100kg bodybuilder”- only 20mgs would be needed (he’s 220 lbs for the metrically impaired among us). Now, with less SHBG floating around in me, my anabolic steroid cycle will be more effective, right? Right.

But why can we only expect such a dramatic lowering of SHBG with the oral? Well, obviously, we’re taking advantage of the first pass through the liver, where we can have our Winstrol interact with SHBG where it’s produced- in the liver…without going through the bloodstream first.

When we take a look at a study done comparing injectable vs. oral contraceptives, we find that the oral version at 70mgs/week (10mgs/day given orally) is more effective at affecting SHBG levels than 400mgs/week given via an injection! (9)In this study, testosterone undecanoate was given at a constant dose along with norestisterone (which raises SHBG). What we see is that when norestisterone is given orally, it produces a far greater effect on SHBG, than when it is administered via an injection. And this is even when the doses of the injectable are 4x higher!

Here’s a chart, illustrating exactly what I’m talking about in this study, which I think suggests very strongly that injectable versions of drugs, when compared with the oral version, will have nowhere near as much of an effect on SHBG:



Group I (Black Circles): Injections of 200 mg NETE at study wk 0, 6, 12, and 18 plus injections of 1000 mg TU at study wk 2, 6, 12, and 18 (T free window). Group II (White Diamonds): Injections of 1000 mg TU together with 400 mg NETE at study wk 0, 6, 12, and 18. Group III (Grey Squares): Injections of 1000 mg TU at study wk 0, 6, 12, and 18 combined with daily oral 10 mg norethisterone acetate (NETE) from week 0 to 24 (9)


Of course, in this study, they’re looking at oral vs. injectable versions of a SHBG raising drug- but what we can take away from it is that SHBG interaction with oral compounds is far more pronounced than it is with injectables.

So lets take a small amount of Winstrol with our cycles, and free up some of those steroids we’re taking, right? Right!

Unless of course, we’re talking about women here…I was recently asked why I recommend that women use the injectable version of Winstrol over the oral. I was asked this question by someone, who I assumed had a female friend who was considering using Winstrol. I then realized I was totally incorrect- not about Winstrol, but about the reason behind the question. You see…I saw a picture of the man who had first asked me the question, and it’s readily apparent to me that he probably doesn’t actually know any women. But still, his question is valid and bears repeating and answering here.

I recommend that women avoid the oral version of this product for the same reason that men will find that it gives them an increased synergy and effectiveness in their cycles.

When SHBG is lowered in women, there is more free testosterone floating around. And as we’ve seen, the oral is going to affect SHBG exponentially more than the injectable will. When we lower SHBG too much in women, we see a strong positive correlation with hyperandrogenism (10 ), and hirsuitism (abnormal growth of body hair), as well In fact, non-SHBG-bound testosterone may actually be the defining characteristic for identifying hyperandrogenism in women. In addition, low SHBG contributes to menstrual irregularity.(11)

Finally, and (partially) anecdotally, we also see a greater incidence of clitoral enlargement and acne when the oral version of Winstrol is used by women instead of the injectable. The reasons for this are obvious- When we increase free testosterone by lowering SHBG, we increase the amount of testosterone which is able to be 5a-reduced to DHT. DHT is the primary culprit for steroid induced acne, and is also the hormone responsible for external genital enlargement. Clearly, this is why we see the increased level of clitoral hypertrophy as well as acne when oral Winstrol is used by women.

We can also see increased acne when men use Winstrol orally, but these effects are relatively minor when a 2mg/kg dose is being used to increase the effectiveness of other steroids in a cycle. This isn’t carte blanche to go using Winstrol for an extended period of time under the excuse that it’s increasing the overall effectiveness of the cycle. Stanozolol has some of the worst liver toxicity (hepatoxicity) of any oral steroid on a mg for mg basis. In addition, it’s deleterious effects on your lipid profile (Cholesterol) are also very pronounced, even at low doses- 6mgs/day of Stanozolol can lower HDL (good cholesterol)by 33% and raise LDL (bad cholesterol) by 29% (12 ).

So, hopefully, you’ve reached the end of this article and realized that Winstrol can be used in any cycle to increase the effectiveness of it, but that it must be used sparingly due to it’s possible hepatoxicity and lipid profile effecting properties. Still, when used in heavy testosterone-based profiles, at a dose that will cut your SHBG levels in half, it can increase you other steroids effectiveness quite a bit…but when maximal protein synthesis is wanted, you need to inject it.

There you go…the differences between oral and injectable Winstrol, and how you can use either form to maximize your gains!
























Last edited by Lunk1; 04-17-2013 at 10:53 PM.

[>Good Luck<]

Winstrol V as a vet uses it is made from a pharmaceutical company. It isn't made from an Ugl. I'm not talking about brew in the tub crap. Unless you have done Winstrol V from a pharmaceutical company You have no clue as to what I say. The Vet that I used to get it from it was ordered from a legit Pharm Co. Do you know what the difference is in this case. DO you know about the PH difference or just what you are even saying. I don't think so. Talking about esters do you know what Winstrol V is? It was an ED injection 100mgs.

My experience came right from the phar co. By the carton with a Vets license back in the 80's they don't use it much anymore for pets.

AND if you paid attention I said the oral has more liver damage potential. I did not say there was no liver potential. Please read what I said not what I didn't say.
Now if there is as much liver problems with this injectable I talk about, then stop telling people to stay away from orals for that reason and stay with injectable.

Please get your facts before you say anything. Thank you ...crazy mike

Honestly, I think you are an emotional asshat who rants and raves at every opportunity- using nothing but nonsense and sentances formed in anger that when read, make little to no sense.

Reread what I said before you go into a fit of rage. You try so hard to be right that you fail to see the point of what you are trying to say.

Here it is in point form.

-winstrol is a vetrenanian drug used in humans
-there is a difference between human pharmaceutical grade steroids and vet grade steroids, winstrol being kne designed for animals therefor not produced for humans (but still used by humans)
-winstrol has no ester therefor the content is the same in oral or liquid hence why I said there is no difference.
- ugls produce winstrol, and so do veterinarian labs- but not pharmaceutical companies because it Is not intended for human consumption (much like tren )

In the future before you start you banter, clean your glasses and reread the statements you are arguing so fiercely. Also, get someone to proofread your shit so it actally makes sense.

I get that you've abused many drugs for a very long time and have now chosen streoids as you D.O.C. but to me that doent give you credibility or respect. I'm not some newb that just showed up that you can bully around like you often do, and If you want I can make u look like an ass like u try to do with anyone who disagrees with anything you say. Calm the fvck down With your responses a d settle down before you end up having a heart attack with all that gear your a using. Might even do u good to just stop all together ans maybe take a little bit of time away from the forum to remember that nobody knows everything and you dont have to put your two cents in every single thread. There's more to life than steroid .com

Have a nice day mike, and maybe try having a "sane mike" approach.

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Subscribed for obvious reasons...

[justo]

Honestly, I think you are an emotional asshat who rants and raves at every opportunity- using nothing but nonsense and sentances formed in anger that when read, make little to no sense. Reread what I said before you go into a fit of rage. You try so hard to be right that you fail to see the point of what you are trying to say. Here it is in point form. -winstrol is a vetrenanian drug used in humans -there is a difference between human pharmaceutical grade steroids and vet grade steroids, winstrol being kne designed for animals therefor not produced for humans (but still used by humans) -winstrol has no ester therefor the content is the same in oral or liquid hence why I said there is no difference. - ugls produce winstrol, and so do veterinarian labs- but not pharmaceutical companies because it Is not intended for human consumption (much like tren) In the future before you start you banter, clean your glasses and reread the statements you are arguing so fiercely. Also, get someone to proofread your shit so it actally makes sense. I get that you've abused many drugs for a very long time and have now chosen streoids as you D.O.C. but to me that doent give you credibility or respect. I'm not some newb that just showed up that you can bully around like you often do, and If you want I can make u look like an ass like u try to do with anyone who disagrees with anything you say. Calm the fvck down With your responses a d settle down before you end up having a heart attack with all that gear your a using. Might even do u good to just stop all together ans maybe take a little bit of time away from the forum to remember that nobody knows everything and you dont have to put your two cents in every single thread. There's more to life than steroid.com Have a nice day mike, and maybe try having a "sane mike" approach.

Round 1 "Fight"

[>Good Luck<]

Round 1 "Fight"

Ok bruce buffer

[justo]

Ok bruce buffer

No Bruce buffer says "letsss get ready to rumbleeee" actually

[t-dogg]

Ok bruce buffer

That is "mortal kombat"

[crazy mike]

Ya know lucky man I deleted my come back when I realized just how you are stirring up Bullsh!t to further my arguing or maybe flaming as you are doing.

I think not because It isn't deserving. You are just doing what you accuse me of. The ranting with anger.

I'll be more mature and leave it a alone and not call you names or claims to making you look like an A$$ as you have done.

I suggest you look I the mirror and leave it here, thank you. rrrrrrraw ...crazy mike

[>Good Luck<]

ya know lucky man i deleted my come back when i realized just how you are stirring up bullsh!t to further my arguing or maybe flaming as you are doing.

I think not because it isn't deserving. You are just doing what you accuse me of. The ranting with anger.

I'll be more mature and leave it a alone and not call you names or claims to making you look like an a$$ as you have done.

I suggest you look i the mirror and leave it here, thank you. Rrrrrrraw ...crazy mike

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[aviator850]

[QUOTE=Lunk1;6685463]Disclaimer: I did not write this nor did I want to post a link to the the site or quote the author for obvious reasons but it is very informative if you care to read it all

What is your take on ED, while on winstrol ? I want to take both injectable and oral. 50mg of each ED. I will add in test p 600mg per week and masteron 600mg per week

[austinite]

Wow. Overthinking just reached new heights in this thread...

[Euroholic]

[QUOTE=aviator850;6692593]

Disclaimer: I did not write this nor did I want to post a link to the the site or quote the author for obvious reasons but it is very informative if you care to read it all

What is your take on ED, while on winstrol? I want to take both injectable and oral. 50mg of each ED. I will add in test p 600mg per week and masteron 600mg per week

Its the same thing the same compound!!!!! Just pick one. Or use both if you dont have enough of one. You can drink the liquid too. And yes take it every day

[aviator850]

[QUOTE=Euroholic;6692646]

Its the same thing the same compound!!!!! Just pick one. Or use both if you dont have enough of one. You can drink the liquid too. And yes take it every day

I meant ED as in erectile dysfunction.. sorry for the confusion.. relax bro.

[Lunk1]

[QUOTE=aviator850;6692593]

Disclaimer: I did not write this nor did I want to post a link to the the site or quote the author for obvious reasons but it is very informative if you care to read it all

What is your take on ED, while on winstrol? I want to take both injectable and oral. 50mg of each ED. I will add in test p 600mg per week and masteron 600mg per week

As you will hear over and over around here. ED is most often caused by elevated estrogen levels. Just make sure it's kept low and ED should not be an issue.

[aviator850]

[QUOTE=Lunk1;6692958]

As you will hear over and over around here. ED is most often caused by elevated estrogen levels. Just make sure it's kept low and ED should not be an issue.

Appreciate that, I plan on doing 100mg ED (everyday) if I have any issues then I'll lower the dose. thanks again