Please help! This is my first cycle and I think I'm in trouble..

**Reaper0122** · 09-29-2013, 04:22 AM

Hi!

As mentioned in the title, this is my first cycle and I have few questions. I've been using Test-E now for only 3 weeks and I'm thinking of quitting!

Before I go to my questions, here are some facts about me:

AGE: 28
Current Weight: 165
BF%: 14-16%
HEIGHT: 5'8

Training and Nutrition:
- Since on Test-E, I've up my training to 9x/week hitting each body part 2x/week and I've been on a 1000cals/day caloric surplus. Thinking that by doing this I would fully capitalize on the steroid use ..

Injection site: Right and left outer quad. (I take 2 injections/week 200mg each and I alternate between the left and right leg).

Syringe and needle used: 3cc Syringe, 1 inch-25 Gauge neddle (cant find 1.5 inch needles)

Gear used: Test Enanthate 400mg/week
(I'm not sure if I'm allowed to mention the specific name of the Test that I used so I'm just gonna say that the name of the pharma company that produces it starts with an N and its located in India)
- The Test-E comes in 10ml vials, each mL contains:
- Test Enanthate 300mg
- Ethyl Oleate - (which I thought was supposed to make the solution painless!)
- Benzyl benzoate
- Benzyl Alcohol 1%

Here are my questions:

1. Is it normal for Test-E to hurt every time and for the pain (PIP) to last 6-7 days before it goes away??
Because hours after injecting, I basically can no longer use my legs, I've made 3 injections per leg thus far and so far I get the same pain. I cant even move right leg right now and its been two days since I injected it. it usually takes 6-7 days before the pains goes away. I have not been able to train my legs for 2 weeks now because of the pain.

2. Is it me or did I purchase "bad/fake" gear?
- The pharma company looks decent and they even have a website which looks decent too. They also have a way to check the authenticity of the product which I did and it turned out to be authentic.

3. What would happen if I just quit now?
- Should I still follow the normal PCT protocol which is to start using nolva 2 weeks after my last injection? Because I really can no longer stand the pain.

I'm really in a dilemma now guys because I really want to gain more mass but I just can't stand this pain anymore. I would really appreciate your input regarding this matter.

Thanks!

**songdog** · 09-29-2013, 04:45 AM

Before you quit try injecting your quads and see how that works for you.And you can always cut your gear with sterle oil.This helps and you can quit if you want.You can get the oil at Ar-r top right hand corner.

**Java Man** · 09-29-2013, 05:19 AM

Dude. You just need to learn how to eat and eat a lot. At 165 you really are wasting your time with AAS. If you do gain any weight you won't keep it. Youre 165 because you don't eat enough. Increase your food consumption and keep it there. You need to eat like a 200lb man eats. Steroids put your body in an anabolic state and ward off catabolism but without the necessary nutrients in sufficient quantities, you will be lacking the building materials to construct new tissue. You'll gain...water and sodium weight. And them you will lose it as soon as you go off. My advice is stop doing test, run a pct as usual regardless of cycle length because youre shut down after 3 weeks (plus another 2 weeks before its out of your system). Then hit the diet section and learn how to eat for growth. You've got another 30 pounds to gain before you'll really benefit from aas.

**fit2bOld** · 09-29-2013, 05:31 AM

Have to agree with Java at your weight and bodyfat you were/are not ready for AAS. I never inject my legs glutes, bicep, triceps, delts are better spots.
Virgin muscle plus the 300mg/ml test will cause pip.

yes you should do a pct.

Most important, unless you learn to eat properly and train hard any gains from the AAs will quickly be lost.

**Reaper0122** · 09-29-2013, 05:31 AM

Thanks for the reply, Songdog. I have been injecting on my quads. My left and right quad are my injection sites. Do you have any more info about my other questions though?

**Reaper0122** · 09-29-2013, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by Java Man

Dude. You just need to learn how to eat and eat a lot. At 165 you really are wasting your time with AAS. If you do gain any weight you won't keep it. Youre 165 because you don't eat enough. Increase your food consumption and keep it there. You need to eat like a 200lb man eats. Steroids put your body in an anabolic state and ward off catabolism but without the necessary nutrients in sufficient quantities, you will be lacking the building materials to construct new tissue. You'll gain...water and sodium weight. And them you will lose it as soon as you go off. My advice is stop doing test, run a pct as usual regardless of cycle length because youre shut down after 3 weeks (plus another 2 weeks before its out of your system). Then hit the diet section and learn how to eat for growth. You've got another 30 pounds to gain before you'll really benefit from aas.

Thanks, Java Man! I think I might just do that. I never really want to get that big, I just wanted to be a lean 180-185lbs. I've been training for two years now and I guess I just lost patience thats why I decided to try AAS.

**Reaper0122** · 09-29-2013, 05:46 AM

Originally Posted by fit2bOld

Have to agree with Java at your weight and bodyfat you were/are not ready for AAS. I never inject my legs glutes, bicep, triceps, delts are better spots.
Virgin muscle plus the 300mg/ml test will cause pip.

yes you should do a pct.

Most important, unless you learn to eat properly and train hard any gains from the AAs will quickly be lost.

I was under the impression that the solution they are using (Ethyl Oleate) will not cause PIP and that the virgin muscle thing only applies to the 1st and second injection. This is my 3rd injection and I still feel the same pain I've felt during the 1st injection. I just want to know If Im doing something wrong which could be the reason for the pain and if this pain is really natural..

Thanks for the reply, fit2bOld!

**Java Man** · 09-29-2013, 06:06 AM

Originally Posted by Reaper0122

Thanks, Java Man! I think I might just do that. I never really want to get that big, I just wanted to be a lean 180-185lbs. I've been training for two years now and I guess I just lost patience thats why I decided to try AAS.

Everybody says that at first. Then when you start seeing growth you can't ever get big enough! See if you still feel that way when you hit 185. Lol. You won't. I can almost guarantee it!

That last part, same reason many people jump on way too soon. Me included. Failure to understand the role and importance of nutrition to feed growth. I thought it was all BS. All the huge guys were just taking lots of drugs is what I thought. If I do the same thing I'll get huge too... Nope! Didn't happen like that. Bodybuilding is all about patience. You have to be wiling to put in the time and effort for the long haul. The truth is, there are no shortcuts.

**Whiteboyy0** · 09-29-2013, 07:45 AM

I ran prop everyday for my first cycle and it did hurt a little in the beginning, but i pushed through and it was worth it. You just don't sound dedicated to me at all, in that case i would just do pct and give your gear to a friend if you can't man up.

**Reaper0122** · 09-29-2013, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by Whiteboyy0

I ran prop everyday for my first cycle and it did hurt a little in the beginning, but i pushed through and it was worth it. You just don't sound dedicated to me at all, in that case i would just do pct and give your gear to a friend if you can't man up.

I guess I'm just concerned about the quality of the gear that I'm using since the pain I feel is not "little", I can barely walk and have a hard time sleeping because of the pain.

**Whiteboyy0** · 09-29-2013, 08:53 AM

Originally Posted by Reaper0122

I guess I'm just concerned about the quality of the gear that I'm using since the pain I feel is not "little", I can barely walk and have a hard time sleeping because of the pain.

In the beginning when i pinned my quads it felt like somebody took a baseball bat to them, i could barely walk but i still squatted kept lifting and did my cardio and it went away. But if its not for you then its not for you. Why don't you google your gear and see if anybody else thought it was dirty.

**RipOwens** · 09-29-2013, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Java Man

Everybody says that at first. Then when you start seeing growth you can't ever get big enough! See if you still feel that way when you hit 185. Lol. You won't. I can almost guarantee it!

That last part, same reason many people jump on way too soon. Me included. Failure to understand the role and importance of nutrition to feed growth. I thought it was all BS. All the huge guys were just taking lots of drugs is what I thought. If I do the same thing I'll get huge too... Nope! Didn't happen like that. Bodybuilding is all about patience. You have to be wiling to put in the time and effort for the long haul. The truth is, there are no shortcuts.

Awesome post Java, thanks man!

**kelkel** · 09-29-2013, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by RipOwens

Awesome post Java, thanks man!

X2. Very well said Java. You have learned.

**itsjayman02** · 09-29-2013, 05:56 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

X2. Very well said Java. You have learned.

We all have the capacity to learn and it's great our experience can be used to good affect on forums like this!!

Training is what we do it's a way of life
So live life to the full !!

**Reaper0122** · 09-30-2013, 01:39 AM

Anymore opinions about my concerns? Because I'm still a little undecided whether I should continue with this or not. I'm supposed to pin again tomorrow but until now I still don't have full use of my right leg, it's still swollen and sore!

Your answers to the questions I have above will really help me in making my decision so I would greatly appreciate if you guys would give me your inputs.

By the way, I see many people posting the name of the gear they are using so I guess its okay (tell me if its not okay so I can edit it out.)

I've been using E-Ject 300 by Novector Labs. I Googled it and can't find any reviews about their products although I see a lot of them sold in other websites.

Thanks!

**trainer117** · 09-30-2013, 03:49 AM

How do I start my own thread? I am on a very similar cycle. Im in my third week of test E and Im getting a tingling feeling in my testicles. Its not very painful but its kind of like a light sack wack. Is this dangerous? I have 8 weeks to go and im about to stack it with Tren beginning next week. Ive done some research and all I can gather is that my testicles are shrinking and the tingling feeling will go away within a week or two. Any help would be appreciated.

**MuscleInk** · 09-30-2013, 04:46 AM

Originally Posted by trainer117

How do I start my own thread? I am on a very similar cycle. Im in my third week of test E and Im getting a tingling feeling in my testicles. Its not very painful but its kind of like a light sack wack. Is this dangerous? I have 8 weeks to go and im about to stack it with Tren beginning next week. Ive done some research and all I can gather is that my testicles are shrinking and the tingling feeling will go away within a week or two. Any help would be appreciated.

Starting your own thread would be wise. You will need to lay out your entire cycle including ancillaries (AI & HCG ), doses, and planned PCT if you want help. In order to diagnose the problem, we need to know exactly what you're taking and how much.