Questions about AIs / SERMs on cycle

[protoman]

So there is a sticky topic on here by a guy saying to run AIs on cycle, but it also says "Banned - Scammer!" under his name so I don't really know if I trust that.

I usually just take Liquid Tamox post-cycle. It's all I have on hand right now.. and I'm not even sure if it's still good; the stuff is over a year old. Anyway I've never worried about doing AIs or SERMs on cycle before (just do hCG), but I stepped up to 600mg/wk for this cycle and am bulking hard, so I wanna make sure my ducks are in a row and I'm not getting cancer and/or gyno.

How many of you take AIs or SERMs on cycle? Obvious concern with taking AIs on cycle is that it kills your estrogen levels, and estrogen is important for building even if it does a whole lot of other awful things. What do you guys do and what do you think is best?

[austinite]

He was not banned for his lack of knowledge. There is a reason the sticky is still up.

ON CYCLE - AI (and in rare cases a SERM, but never a SERM only)
PCT - SERMs only (Never an AI)

[Euroholic]

^^^^^^

[protoman]

Thanks for the heads up, glad to know that info is still good. Should I stick with his recommended dose--10mg Aromasin/ED--if I'm doing 600mg/wk of Test-c?

[austinite]

Thanks for the heads up, glad to know that info is still good. Should I stick with his recommended dose--10mg Aromasin/ED--if I'm doing 600mg/wk of Test-c?

You'll need to list all of your stats and propose a full cycle for advice..

[protoman]

I'm 165, lean, 6"0 four years training and generally a hardgainer (started at 130). This is my third test-c cycle; I am one month in and seeing great gains so far after stepping up to 600mg/wk this time. Here's what I've done and what I'm planning:

Done:
Weeks 1-2
600mg/wk Test-c

Weeks 3-4
600mg/wk Test-c
500mg/wk hCG
.5IU/day HGH

Planned:
Weeks 5-6
600mg/wk Test-c
500mg/wk hCG
1IU/day HGH

Weeks 7-12
600mg/wk Test-c
500mg/wk hCG
2IU/day HGH 5on2off

Post-cycle
Liquid Tamox, HGH continues at 5on2off

The plan is to add 10mg Aromasin/ED for weeks 5-12. Thanks for any advice you can give!

[austinite]

What's your age and body fat percentage?

And did I read that right? ONE iu of HGH?

[protoman]

One for two weeks just to see how I take it. I'm stepping up to 2ED 5 on / 2 off... my understanding is that this is the lowest effective dosage.

I am fast approaching 30 and my BF was 13% last time I checked it. I have put on some fat bulking and would chance that I'm 14-15% now.

[austinite]

Hmmm. ok. You're pretty much wasting time and money with HGH.

Anyway, I don't think you should cycle. You have a very serious issue with your diet. That's not questionable. Since you already started...

25mg daily with aromasin. And PCT needs clomid added to it. I don't even know what your doses are.

Good luck.

[protoman]

Could you elaborate more about HGH? Are you saying the doses are too low, I'm too young to need it, or what? It seems like HGH provides an enormous benefit over the long term, so I'm surprised to see you say that you think it would be a waste of time and money.

I had blood work done on my HGH levels; they were below the normal range, but not abysmal.

[austinite]

Like I said, I don't think you need to be cycling, but working on your diet, rather. So my advice ends here.

I will let others chime in and help you out.

[Euroholic]

Hgh needs to be run for 6months at a minimum to see results. Thats 6 months with decent amounts and not that stuff from china wich is everywere.

[protoman]

HGH is pharma grade; I have a script. I'm aware that it takes half a year to really get results out of HGH and have already planned my finances accordingly. Do you think I will see a good benefit from 2IU 5 days on / 2 days off? As I have it planned now I should hit the six month mark at that dose around the beginning of my next cycle.

[Euroholic]

HGH is pharma grade; I have a script. I'm aware that it takes half a year to really get results out of HGH and have already planned my finances accordingly. Do you think I will see a good benefit from 2IU 5 days on / 2 days off? As I have it planned now I should hit the six month mark at that dose around the beginning of my next cycle.

Those doses are way too low. Triple it at a minimum

[Euroholic]

And hgh has a short half life. Whats with the 5 on 2 off

[protoman]

Got the 5/2 suggestion from RedBaron's big info post. I know HGH's half-life is quite short; I think he threw in that suggestion as a failsafe more than anything.

..Are we all paying the same price for this stuff? If I'm looking to step up to around 5IU/day every day I would be paying [removed] quite a lot per month at the pharmacy where I'm now getting Somatropin. I mean 1mg of this stuff is 3IU right?

[austinite]

Edit your post above and read the rules. there is no mention of prices.