wrapping up first cycle, didnt go well

**mz06** · 10-16-2013, 08:24 PM

Looking for a little advice here. Im 9 weeks into my 12 week cycle and overall although i have gained some size i dont think it is anywhere near what i could have done. The reason the cycle didnt go well was PIP. At the beginning of the cycle i was told the intense pain was because of virgin muscle but 9 weeks in and it has not gotten any better. Is this just because of the gear or something else? I tried pinning glutes, quads, and delts. Glutes and quads were unbearable, i would not be able to walk without limping for over a week after quad shots and sitting and even laying down was extremely painful after glute shots. The only shot that wasnt bad were delts, but after weeks of only rotating delts pinning there eventually started becoming painful. The pain made me miss several days in the gym and even if i could go not train 100% when the muscle i was training had been pinned within the last 10 days. Is this just the gear and i should try another brand next time? or is this just the way things are and i have to learn to push through it? Any advice is very appreciated. Thanks!!!

**Capebuffalo** · 10-16-2013, 08:29 PM

It would help to know what you were pinning. Mg/ml. And your dose.

**mz06** · 10-16-2013, 08:32 PM

wow dont know how i forgot that. Just testE 600mg/week 300mg/ml so 1cc per pin

**Capebuffalo** · 10-16-2013, 08:39 PM

Probably just how it was mixed. Idk. If you had said test 400. I would have said it was going to hurt and will always hurt. But it's not crazy dosed.

Ever red or fever associated with it?

**mz06** · 10-16-2013, 08:46 PM

nope just a very painful lump for about a week so i know it wasnt infection, and i read everything i could about injection sites/technique but nothing helped

**Juic3d13** · 10-16-2013, 08:48 PM

Hey bud, sounds like you either had a bad bottle or an all together bad company. I am unsure as to we are suppose to recommend companies, but I would say Newport Pharmaceuticals, I have never gone wrong with them, very reputable company. Some shots are going to hurt, but with just test E I am quite surprised they hurt that bad.. What size pins are you using? And just a FYI T400 is always better bang for the buck!

**Bert** · 10-16-2013, 08:50 PM

You need to trash that gear and try a diff supplier.

**Capebuffalo** · 10-16-2013, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Juic3d13

Hey bud, sounds like you either had a bad bottle or an all together bad company. I am unsure as to we are suppose to recommend companies, but I would say Newport Pharmaceuticals, I have never gone wrong with them, very reputable company. Some shots are going to hurt, but with just test E I am quite surprised they hurt that bad.. What size pins are you using? And just a FYI T400 is always better bang for the buck!

Edit your post. Not a source board here.

**barbery** · 10-16-2013, 08:52 PM

Did you try warming the vial in hot water beforehand?

**mz06** · 10-16-2013, 09:00 PM

yeah i tried warming the vial and rolling the injection site for a few minutes after pinning but nothing helped. Looks like i switch labs and hopefully this will go better next time.

**barbery** · 10-16-2013, 09:02 PM

Could perhaps try adding alcohol to the gear itself if it wasn't sterile. Never done it and don't know how to but I'm sure someone would and could

**Capebuffalo** · 10-16-2013, 09:03 PM

Stats beside 27. Any gains at all?

**Capebuffalo** · 10-16-2013, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by barbery

Could perhaps try adding alcohol to the gear itself if it wasn't sterile. Never done it and don't know how to but I'm sure someone would and could

No. Auto clave. Adding alcohol will make it worse. Probably the reason now.

**crazy mike** · 10-16-2013, 09:12 PM

Holly crap, don't add alcohol.

..crazy mike

**crazy mike** · 10-16-2013, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by barbery

Could perhaps try adding alcohol to the gear itself if it wasn't sterile. Never done it and don't know how to but I'm sure someone would and could

Please, if you have never done it and don't know how DO NOT ADVISE !! We advise on our experience and education of proper usage. We are not playing guessing games here. This injecting into our bodies is NOT a game at all. Crap kid

...crazy mike

**barbery** · 10-16-2013, 09:19 PM

Hence why I added the caveat that I don't know how and to ask someone else. Seemed like a good idea to me if it wasn't sterile then best make it sterile...

**mz06** · 10-16-2013, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

Stats beside 27. Any gains at all?

yeah i mean it wasnt a complete loss but I missed way more days in the gym than i have in a long time so i know i could have done much better
stats
been training for about 3-4 years
before cycle i was 5'8 at 181 and im currently sitting at 199
BUT i have been in a bulk since the first pin so i know some of that is fat and i can tell im holding a lot of water so i know i did not gain anywhere near 20lbs of muscle

**Zodiac85** · 10-16-2013, 09:36 PM

Maybe sterilize your gear? It won't do anything for contaminants, but at least it'll be sterile.

**kronik420** · 10-16-2013, 09:42 PM

try a different brand next time.. pharm grade if possible..

**kronik420** · 10-16-2013, 09:46 PM

also could have been your shaky hands.. that's what causes 90% of my PIP...

**crazy mike** · 10-16-2013, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by mz06

yeah i mean it wasnt a complete loss but I missed way more days in the gym than i have in a long time so i know i could have done much better
stats
been training for about 3-4 years
before cycle i was 5'8 at 181 and im currently sitting at 199
BUT i have been in a bulk since the first pin so i know some of that is fat and i can tell im holding a lot of water so i know i did not gain anywhere near 20lbs of muscle

Good thinking man. You can't gain 20lbs of LMM on a cycle and probably never in a year. Watch your Estradiol if you are gaining too much water. ... good luck ...crazy miike

**Red Bastard** · 10-17-2013, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

Edit your post. Not a source board here.

Newport is a UGL, not a source...

**Lunk1** · 10-17-2013, 01:30 AM

At 300mg/ml I will almost bet it's the BA/BB ratio. Next time switch labs if you can and go with a standard 200 mg/ml

**Reiid13** · 10-17-2013, 02:38 AM

Sounds like a gear issue , but dont forget if its a first cycle chances are your technique is going to messy , jittery hands , injecting too fast , blunt needle head ( did you change needles after drawing test from vial ?) These need to be perfected to also minimize sore muscles.

Also if you dont have a good stash of needles to change a blunt head after youve drawn it up ..If you used alcohol to steralize the lid of the vial , be sure to let it dry before you insert needle and draw it up!

**johnnymctrance** · 10-17-2013, 01:27 PM

Your injection technique could need improving.. ie shaky hands

**johnnymctrance** · 10-17-2013, 01:29 PM

I find if i insert the needle very slowly and am very relaxed i get little amount of pain and minimal pip.. not even enough to even remotely affect my workouts!

**MuscleInk** · 10-17-2013, 01:39 PM

LOL....that's almost like saying my dealer is a guy, not a source. I find it peculiar sometimes that UGLs can be discussed. Guys are looking for UGLs to buy gear, hence a source. Again, its like saying Walgreens isn't a source for medications, its a pharmacy....lol

Originally Posted by Red Bastard

Newport is a UGL, not a source...

**MuscleInk** · 10-17-2013, 01:49 PM

So many causes of PIP (needle size, gear concentration, volume injected, rate of injection, type of oil, too much alcohol, inexperience, contamination, improper injection, lack of sterility, etc.). It's really hard to determine unless you control each variable one by one until you find the culprit. Provided there is no infection, using a heating pad or warm compress on the area and gently massaging can help break up the oil and facilitate absorption. This will at least reduce the length of time you suffer from PIP. Class-1 analgesics such as acetylsalicylic acid (aspirin), paracetamol, ibuprofen, naproxen sodium, will help with pain management as well.

**Red Bastard** · 10-17-2013, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

LOL....that's almost like saying my dealer is a guy, not a source. I find it peculiar sometimes that UGLs can be discussed. Guys are looking for UGLs to buy gear, hence a source. Again, its like saying Walgreens isn't a source for medications, its a pharmacy....lol

DISCUSSION OF BRANDS and UGL's - NO Source Posting!

Perfectly acceptable here.

If things are the same, there in the US, as here in Canada, people don't buy from a lab, they buy from a rep. Giving the name of a lab in no way tells someone how to actually find their products.

**MuscleInk** · 10-17-2013, 02:28 PM

Ya I know....just seems like a stretch of the rules IMO, but I don't write then, I just follow them. I'm sure an attorney would interpret things anyway to support or defend a case that involved anabolics, lol

Never had to go through a UGL, fortunately.

**drake4243** · 10-17-2013, 02:49 PM

I have no answers for you that’s strange but it sure sounds awful I am surprised you kept pinning it. Well at least you know it can’t get much worse next time with a new brand it should be a breeze. Good luck