Whats a Good NON AAS Stack to Cut With (Cant find Proper Source for First Test Cycle)

**Persistence2012** · 10-16-2013, 05:36 PM

i cant seem to find a good source to get started on my first test e cycle, so in the mean time i wanted to cut with something...

im thinking of EC/ECA? what else could there possibly be?

trying to cut to 12-14% Bf

**AlphaMike** · 10-16-2013, 06:39 PM

more cardio, better diet

**austinite** · 10-16-2013, 06:40 PM

This is the AAS section though...

**Persistence2012** · 10-16-2013, 06:59 PM

Originally Posted by AlphaMike

more cardio, better diet

no thanks on cardio, i do add 5-10 min of HIIT sprinting at end though, and diet is keto

Originally Posted by austinite

This is the AAS section though...

yea and most people that jumped on AAS before had a different stack for cutting, wat was it, ECA?

btw if theres a better section to move the post, let me know

**AlphaMike** · 10-16-2013, 07:02 PM

SUPPLEMENT QUESTIONS

**Money Talks** · 10-17-2013, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by Persistence2012

i cant seem to find a good source to get started on my first test e cycle, so in the mean time i wanted to cut with something...

im thinking of EC/ECA? what else could there possibly be?

trying to cut to 12-14% Bf

I use t3 whether I'm cutting on or off cycle. Also take a look at the research chemical ostarine. I used it before a cycle while cutting and it helped me maintain muscle mass. I don't like the EC stack as it give me the jitters and I feel like my heart is going to explode while doing cardio. Also I have trouble sleeping while using it.

**Back In Black** · 10-17-2013, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Persistence2012

no thanks on cardio,

That's a poor choice for cutting.

**Docd187123** · 10-17-2013, 11:02 AM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

That's a poor choice for cutting.

Many people myself included can cut without cardio to respectable BF levels, obviously not going to get to ~5% without some form of energy expenditure. I still do cardio though regardless bc it can not only help keep the heart and cardiovascular system healthy but some evidence suggests it can help keep fat oxidizing pathways open and active even during a bulk.

**Back In Black** · 10-17-2013, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by Docd187123

Many people myself included can cut without cardio to respectable BF levels, obviously not going to get to ~5% without some form of energy expenditure. I still do cardio though regardless bc it can not only help keep the heart and cardiovascular system healthy but some evidence suggests it can help keep fat oxidizing pathways open and active even during a bulk.

I don't disagree. I do cardio bulking or cutting. For the OP to pretty much dismiss the suggestion and aim for a reliance on 'magic pills' is, as said, a poor choice. But then he is considering cycling at 20 years old.

OP, why are you doing keto and what type of keto is it?

**Docd187123** · 10-17-2013, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

I don't disagree. I do cardio bulking or cutting. For the OP to pretty much dismiss the suggestion and aim for a reliance on 'magic pills' is, as said, a poor choice. But then he is considering cycling at 20 years old.

OP, why are you doing keto and what type of keto is it?

Oh I see where you're coming from now. I hope he's not looking for a magic pill hahaha.

**pitchindude** · 10-17-2013, 11:55 AM

Am I the only one who thinks 14% is (relatively) easy to get to with proper diet and cardio?

Sure, ECA is nice to toss in there but you shouldn't need it to get 14%.

**Persistence2012** · 10-17-2013, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Money Talks

I use t3 whether I'm cutting on or off cycle. Also take a look at the research chemical ostarine. I used it before a cycle while cutting and it helped me maintain muscle mass. I don't like the EC stack as it give me the jitters and I feel like my heart is going to explode while doing cardio. Also I have trouble sleeping while using it.

cant get my hands on clen /t3 because i cant find a trustworthy source here in greater toronto area in canada, so my options are limited to OTC

Originally Posted by Back In Black

That's a poor choice for cutting.

read above, whatever energy i have left, which is not much, i'l do HIIT with it at the end of lifting. probably can do 5-10 mins of it too.

Originally Posted by Docd187123

Many people myself included can cut without cardio to respectable BF levels, obviously not going to get to ~5% without some form of energy expenditure. I still do cardio though regardless bc it can not only help keep the heart and cardiovascular system healthy but some evidence suggests it can help keep fat oxidizing pathways open and active even during a bulk.

i agree, and lifting in itself is partially akin to it as well for my HR is pretty high during the entire lifting session (i drop set everything)

Originally Posted by Back In Black

I don't disagree. I do cardio bulking or cutting. For the OP to pretty much dismiss the suggestion and aim for a reliance on 'magic pills' is, as said, a poor choice. But then he is considering cycling at 20 years old.

OP, why are you doing keto and what type of keto is it?

i dont like extensive cardio/period. doing keto because i like it, and its always been my traditional type of diet

Originally Posted by Docd187123

Oh I see where you're coming from now. I hope he's not looking for a magic pill hahaha.

no im not, i just wanted to know if anyone else uses non AAS products for cutting, did a thorough search last night on forums to come and confirmed ECA only for OTC

Originally Posted by pitchindude

Am I the only one who thinks 14% is (relatively) easy to get to with proper diet and cardio?

Sure, ECA is nice to toss in there but you shouldn't need it to get 14%.

BF % are blown out of proportion and constantly inflated. 14% bf to me is abs are visible without flexing, currently at 17-18% bf and can see stark outlines. im also 6'1 185

lastly, id delete this thread but i dont know how, and its because it should belong in supps section

**Back In Black** · 10-17-2013, 12:43 PM

Sometimes you have to do things you don't like. Follow up 10 minutes of true HIIT with 15-20 minutes moderate intensity and it will help enormously.

Again, what style of keto do you do?

**evander87** · 10-17-2013, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Money Talks

I use t3 whether I'm cutting on or off cycle. .

How much T3 do you run OFF cycle?

**rotty2** · 10-17-2013, 01:09 PM

I think the op should quit being a p^ssy and do some cardio, I have never heard so many pathetic excuses in my life. Then again he is 185 if that with 18 percent bodyfat so I question if he has ever even worked out before. May seem harsh but the op needs it.

**johnnymctrance** · 10-17-2013, 01:22 PM

Austinite's cutting stack!

**Money Talks** · 10-17-2013, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by evander87

How much T3 do you run OFF cycle?

50mcg a day when I'm cutting on or off cycle. I keep the dosages low with the t3. I have had great success with it. Believe me it makes cutting much easier.

I have read some people mention muscle loss, but I haven't experienced that. All I know is that I lose fat consistently without the fat loss plateaus I used to experience.