Cycle Issue & PCT

**DVD_Administrator** · 10-19-2013, 11:08 AM

Hi Guys,

I have taken 35 ampole Test Prop 100 mg/ml "Testorapid" for 10 weeks and I took as well deca phenyl propionate "Bangkok Pharma" 100MG/ml I purchased 2 vials and I finished one and the half of the second one but the vial was broken now " by another words I take 15 ampoule 100mg/ml for 5 weeks"
35 Shots of Prob
15 Shots of Deca Phenyl Propionate
I intend to begin PCT as the Test Prob last shot was today.... I need to know the accurate PCT as I took the Test Prob for 10 Weeks and Deca Phenyl propionate for 5 weeks, BTW it's the first Cycle.

Sorry for the bad description and not organized post

**DVD_Administrator** · 10-19-2013, 11:17 AM

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**ScotchGuard02** · 10-19-2013, 11:40 AM

Wait 3 days from your last Test shot and do four weeks of Clomid 100/50/5050 and Nolvadex 40/20/20/20

**DVD_Administrator** · 10-19-2013, 11:45 AM

Thanks ScotchGuard02 ,, u mean Clomid 100/50/50/50 and Nolvadex 40/20/20/20, so what about HCG

**clarky.** · 10-19-2013, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by DVD_Administrator

Thanks ScotchGuard02 ,, u mean Clomid 100/50/50/50 and Nolvadex 40/20/20/20, so what about HCG

The HCG should have been used during your cycle

**Reiid13** · 10-19-2013, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by DVD_Administrator

Thanks ScotchGuard02 ,, u mean Clomid 100/50/50/50 and Nolvadex 40/20/20/20, so what about HCG

Should of used HCG as part of your AI ?...

**justo** · 10-19-2013, 03:14 PM

Originally Posted by Reiid13

Should of used HCG as part of your AI ?...

hcg is not an ai

**marcus300** · 10-20-2013, 02:18 AM

Originally Posted by scotchguard02

wait 3 days from your last test shot and do four weeks of clomid 100/50/5050 and nolvadex 40/20/20/20

agreed ^^^

**DVD_Administrator** · 10-20-2013, 03:41 AM

So Guys do I need to take an HCG as I know the normal test levels after the Cycle is too low or my be shut down so we take the HCG to energize our system to re produce natural test again.
My question is if I didn't take HCG during do I need to take it in the PCT or not??

**DVD_Administrator** · 10-20-2013, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

agreed ^^^

Dear Marcus thanks a lot for your prompt reply, Just a last favour if I didn't take an HCG during the Cycle should I take it in the PCT with Nolvadex and Clomid or just " Nolvadex and Clomid is enough to return the Test to it's normal levels ?

**bigspin** · 10-20-2013, 06:09 AM

iv used 250iu hcg eod with nolva's for 3 weeks after cycle and seemed to be enough for me.
the 4 week plan of clomid and nolva's scotchguard02 mentioned above should get you back on track even without HCG.

**AlphaMike** · 10-20-2013, 06:21 AM

Quoting austenite's educational articles below:

NOLVA & CLOMID FOR PCT

There are 2 major components involved in recovery. Testosterone production and Spermatogenesis.

LH and FSH are both required for the equation. LH is produced by the pituitary and stimulates the Leydig cells to produce testosterone. Once testosterone is in production it works alongside FSH and stimulates sertoli cells to produce sperm. Sperm production is hindered if either of these are unhealthy. They both work in synergy. You need BOTH to be at healthy levels.

clomid has multiple effects. It's an anti-estrogen, so it obviously decreases the estrogenic effects in your body by stimulating the Hypothalamus back to life and sending gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH) to your pituitary, so that LH/FSH can be secreted.

Nolva boosts the effects of clomid because it put clomid into "competition" mode where they both fight for a receptors to bind to. This competitiveness will only occur with the presence of BOTH nolva/clomid, and will inevitably resolve the issue of excess estrogen in the Hypothalamus. This will trigger both LH and FSH to crank UP, as the high estrogen in this cluster is suppressive. This entire scenario is not as effective with only one drug.

Furthermore varying the compounds; Since we know both stimulate LH, what most don't know is that the act is different. clomid boosts the amplitude of LH serum, but has no effect on the frequency. Nolvadex is the complete opposite in that area, where it boosts the actual frequency of LH and has no effect on its amplitude.

You're probably assuming they're identical and overpowering... clomid is a mixed agonist/antagonist for the estradiol receptor. Nolva is also mixed, however.... it is a pure antagonist in the E receptor in breast tissue. There is a reason that clomid is not recommended for gynecomastia reversal, but Nolva is.

Can you recover with just Nolvadex, or just clomid? Well, anything is possible. But why would you take that risk if the combination gives you a much better chance? To save a few bucks and risk your health? clomid when coupled with Nolvadex is clearly the safer choice over using either compound individually.

WHY YOU SHOULD NOT RUN HCG DURING PCT

Let's establish what we are trying to accomplish here. You just got done with your cycle and you've been suppressed for however many weeks. We want to bring our natural HPTA back to life, can we all agree on that? If you said no, please ask Mom if she dropped you on your head when you were a baby. Moving on...

hCG is suppressive! Since we know that hCG mimics LH, then we know that in the presence of exogenous LH, the pituitary gland will not produce LH. Hang on a minute! You see that word in blue above? It says "natural". So which one is natural? The one I just induced by using hCG, or the one coming from the pituitary? Doh! The pituitary of course! So why? Why on earth would you want to suppress your pituitary with hCG when you're trying to recover?! "Ain't nobody got time for dat!" Are we clear on this one, folks? If you said no, you know what to do...

So next time you meet Rich Piana. Tell him that he is a dingdong, and he's hurting a lot of people with his statements. Please, Rich. stop hurting people. (Jon Stewart voice)

SERMS! Clomid and Nolva are not suppressive. In fact, they work on your brain to help the pea sized gland pump out your precious LH. That is all you should be using for PCT. Otherwise, it would be like walking into a closed door and never being able to get inside. Would you constantly walk into a door without being able to get inside? Wait... that's doing the wrong thing over and over again. I'm pretty sure that's referred to as insane. Ok, enough comedy. Lame, I know. Sorry, I'm not kelkel.