PCT for a mild oral-only PH cycle?

**tb3** · 10-21-2013, 02:25 PM

I know I'm probably going to get flamed around here for not running test, but anyways this is going to be my second oral cycle.

After my last short oral cycle (4 weeks), I didn't feel shutdown or lethargic at all, made modest gains though. Might have been some very minor shrinkage, but it might have just been my eyes playing tricks. I decided to be safe and PCT with Nolva anyways. I guess I'm sensitive to Nolva because I could tell that it lowered my libido and EQ by the end of the first or second night that I took it. My libido was very low until I stopped the Nolva, then it slowly recovered back to normal within a few weeks. Perhaps I could have used less nolva.

For my second cycle, I'm running Promagnon at 75/75/100/100/100 with cycle assist/fish oil/multi as support.
Mag is a mild, mostly anabolic , dry compound, converts to methyl clostebol. Very similar to H-Drol, (turinabol ) but supposedly it has slightly more androgenic properties, enough to keep away lethargy.

I'm looking for an alternative to Nolva for PCT, but I will run it if I have to. I don't want to run clomid either. I've heard of Toremifene being good on libido so I'm looking into that.

Any experiences with Torem or PCT advice from oral cycles such as this would be greatly appreciated.

**redz** · 10-21-2013, 02:53 PM

My advice is throw that crap in the garbage.

**austinite** · 10-21-2013, 02:56 PM

Agree. Garbage. But anything that suppresses HPTA should be treated just like any AAS. Nolva and clomid for PCT.

**tb3** · 10-21-2013, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by redz

My advice is throw that crap in the garbage.

Originally Posted by austinite

Agree. Garbage. But anything that suppresses HPTA should be treated just like any AAS. Nolva and clomid for PCT.

Why is there such a bad rap for orals around here? I know they can be hard on the liver but with proper support and as long as they aren't abused in excess, and alcohol is also not abused on cycle, then everything should recover just fine. At this point in my life, I'm not aiming to run a stack for huge gains. I also want to avoid androgenic sides without having to start running AI's/DHT inhibitors. Fully shutting down my Test for 6-8+ weeks doesn't appeal to me as I am in my 20s, my natural T levels are pretty high, and I don't want to become dependent on synthetic T. I'm just looking for a quick, short boost in my gains that I can maintain post cycle.

Thanks though, I will definitely be running a SERM. I'm still looking into Torem though as an option.

**austinite** · 10-21-2013, 04:11 PM

^ I don't know anywhere on the internet (other than dedicated PH websites) that PH's have a "good rap".

**Bio-Active** · 10-21-2013, 04:13 PM

Huge gains are not accomplished without putting the hard work into your nutrition and training programs. I think you could make better healthier long term gains by focusing on those things and not oral only cycles

**redz** · 10-21-2013, 04:33 PM

I`m not against orals, I`m against bs ph's. There's just no reason to use them.

**Fcastle357** · 10-21-2013, 05:34 PM

Pro mag is not a dry compound. It's much wetter than h-drol. Worst cycle of my life when I did orals. I grew up and know better now. Lesson learned don't make the same mistake.

**tb3** · 10-21-2013, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by jim230027

Huge gains are not accomplished without putting the hard work into your nutrition and training programs. I think you could make better healthier long term gains by focusing on those things and not oral only cycles

I know that and do put a lot of focus into my diet and training. I have 6+ years of lifting experience and I've achieved a very respectable physique considering that I've only ran one mild oral cycle in the past. Right now I'm just looking for a boost to take me a small step further without going the AAS route yet.

Originally Posted by redz

I`m not against orals, I`m against bs ph's. There's just no reason to use them.

Fair enough.

Originally Posted by Fcastle357

Pro mag is not a dry compound. It's much wetter than h-drol. Worst cycle of my life when I did orals. I grew up and know better now. Lesson learned don't make the same mistake.

Interesting. P-mag seems to have positive reviews all around. Would you say it had more similar effects to something like D-bol for you? Why was the cycle so bad?

**Bio-Active** · 10-21-2013, 06:51 PM

What is your height and weight?

**tb3** · 10-21-2013, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by jim230027

What is your height and weight?

5'9'' 170 lbs at about 10% bodyfat. I don't have a very large frame either. My personal bests are bench 225x9, squat 315x5 to parallel, and BB Row 225x7, all at 170 lbs bodyweight.

**redz** · 10-21-2013, 07:25 PM

Fully shutting down my Test for 6-8+ weeks doesn't appeal to me as I am in my 20s, my natural T levels are pretty high, and I don't want to become dependent on synthetic T

If that is really of concern to you then don`t use ph's. I see so many horror stories of young guys being fooled into believing they are safe when they are actually more dangerous.