Theraputic dose of Deca for lower back arthritis?

**boxingfan30** · 10-22-2013, 07:04 PM

Is there a way I could run a small about of something to give me some relief and that would help me to build some muscle a little faster around my lower back to help with lower back arthritis? I'm in constant pain and i'm so sick of it. I have to go to PT soon, but I didn't want to have to run test and the whole bit.

My current natural test is at 834... could I just use like 50 ml or something just to help with collagen synthesis and be able to build my lower back up a little quicker? I don't take narcotic pain meds, only ibuprophen (sp?) or some other NSAID's so I was just looking for maybe just 4-6 weeks or will that still shut me down?

**austinite** · 10-22-2013, 07:06 PM

No. Deca will shut production down faster than you can blink.

**boxingfan30** · 10-22-2013, 07:10 PM

damnit... any other ideas? Perhaps less expensive ones?

**kelkel** · 10-22-2013, 07:12 PM

Tb-500

**austinite** · 10-22-2013, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by boxingfan30

damnit... any other ideas? Perhaps less expensive ones?

Originally Posted by kelkel

Tb-500

^ Give this a try. Check out Bass and Times Roman, they logged their experiences.

Good luck buddy.

**OnTheSauce** · 10-22-2013, 07:43 PM

Everyone that I have recommended tb500 to has reported successful pain relief

**powerliftmike** · 10-22-2013, 07:59 PM

I didnt have much success running deca to repair joint injury at 200mg/wk. I think deca just makes feel a little better (and certainly doesnt cause problems like winstrol ). I feel for me the joint healing properties of it are overrated, that is if you already have an injury.

**kelkel** · 10-22-2013, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by powerliftmike

I didnt have much success running deca to repair joint injury at 200mg/wk. I think deca just makes feel a little better (and certainly doesnt cause problems like winstrol). I feel for me the joint healing properties of it are overrated, that is if you already have an injury.

Damn. Sorry to hear it didn't help Mike. How much time did you give it?

**kronz** · 10-23-2013, 03:56 AM

Originally Posted by boxingfan30

Is there a way I could run a small about of something to give me some relief and that would help me to build some muscle a little faster around my lower back to help with lower back arthritis? I'm in constant pain and i'm so sick of it. I have to go to PT soon, but I didn't want to have to run test and the whole bit.

My current natural test is at 834... could I just use like 50 ml or something just to help with collagen synthesis and be able to build my lower back up a little quicker? I don't take narcotic pain meds, only ibuprophen (sp?) or some other NSAID's so I was just looking for maybe just 4-6 weeks or will that still shut me down?

50mg, not ml. Your balls may actually retreat into your stomach. Actually you'll prob just die. Prob a typo just making sure.

**boxingfan30** · 10-23-2013, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by kronz

50mg, not ml. Your balls may actually retreat into your stomach. Actually you'll prob just die. Prob a typo just making sure.

yes, sorry it was.

**boxingfan30** · 10-23-2013, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by powerliftmike

I didnt have much success running deca to repair joint injury at 200mg/wk. I think deca just makes feel a little better (and certainly doesnt cause problems like winstrol). I feel for me the joint healing properties of it are overrated, that is if you already have an injury.

I didn't really think it would heal my pain issues... I really just want the relief and something to help faster growth of the muscles around it while using it. I know it only helps pain while on it. I would have done the TB already but it's full of AA's and there's quite a bit of cancer history in my family, so I don't want any potential issues with that of course.

**austinite** · 10-23-2013, 07:35 AM

^ Yes, it would help with relieving the pain. Unlikely at 50 mg however. Just keep in mind that an effective dose will halt HPTA production and is merely a 'mask' for an underlying issue.

**boxingfan30** · 10-23-2013, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

^ Yes, it would help with relieving the pain. Unlikely at 50 mg however. Just keep in mind that an effective dose will halt HPTA production and is merely a 'mask' for an underlying issue.

right, I know it's not a magic healer, but for arthritis... I don't know what is tbh.

**Juced_porkchop** · 10-23-2013, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by boxingfan30

Is there a way I could run a small about of something to give me some relief and that would help me to build some muscle a little faster around my lower back to help with lower back arthritis? I'm in constant pain and i'm so sick of it. I have to go to PT soon, but I didn't want to have to run test and the whole bit.

My current natural test is at 834... could I just use like 50 ml or something just to help with collagen synthesis and be able to build my lower back up a little quicker? I don't take narcotic pain meds, only ibuprophen (sp?) or some other NSAID's so I was just looking for maybe just 4-6 weeks or will that still shut me down?

Originally Posted by austinite

No. Deca will shut production down faster than you can blink.

agreed, and even if you are on hrt, I have seen evidence that suggests deca is not as safe as many think and may be damaging to blood vessels, so longterm i would not use it non stop.

I do like low dose in hrt in passed, but will have to rethink that now.

**Juced_porkchop** · 10-23-2013, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by boxingfan30

damnit... any other ideas? Perhaps less expensive ones?

peptides. I have really likes igf1 Des or LR3, also TB500 many seem to be liking and research shows me it cab help many conditions,

**Juced_porkchop** · 10-23-2013, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by powerliftmike

I didnt have much success running deca to repair joint injury at 200mg/wk. I think deca just makes feel a little better (and certainly doesnt cause problems like winstrol). I feel for me the joint healing properties of it are overrated, that is if you already have an injury.

its temp,fluid in joints ect. It helped me while on it, but after off, not so much. hgh, igf1 or tb500 i rec

**Juced_porkchop** · 10-23-2013, 08:13 AM

[QUOTE=boxingfan30;6709236]right, I know it's not a magic healer, but for arthritis... I don't know what is tbh.[/QUOTE

then run 1-2 cycles a year, with some deca in it...

TB500 I have seen has sime anti cancer effects. but anyone with alot of cancer runing in their family i feel should avoid hgh, most peptides. so good call. it WONT give you cancer, but it many peps/hgh could speed up its growth

**Indymuscleguy** · 10-23-2013, 08:19 AM

Get your vitamin D checked. Mine was critically low and ALL of my joint pain went away. I take 50,000 iu twice per week. Yes 50K iu

**boxingfan30** · 10-23-2013, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by Indymuscleguy

Get your vitamin D checked. Mine was critically low and ALL of my joint pain went away. I take 50,000 iu twice per week. Yes 50K iu

Yes, mine is quite low and i'm on the same dose as you... but I did have pain before that too.

**boxingfan30** · 10-23-2013, 09:35 AM

Originally Posted by Juced_porkchop

its temp,fluid in joints ect. It helped me while on it, but after off, not so much. hgh, igf1 or tb500 i rec

The temp is all i'm really looking for, I simply want some relief while doing my physical rehab and that will help build the muscles up a little faster to help with support. The pain part i'm used to so when I go off of it that's what I expect. What about Eq? That has an even higher collagen synthesis than Deca from what I've read... is it any more safe?

**boxingfan30** · 10-23-2013, 04:31 PM

So I guess to go on EQ, Deca , etc i'd still have to do the whole test, deca, PCT, etc huh?

**Hazard** · 10-23-2013, 04:42 PM

Ok regarding EQ...... It increases collagen synthesis yes..... but not cross-linking connectivity. Meaning..... It leaves the new fibers brittle and weak.

**boxingfan30** · 10-24-2013, 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

Ok regarding EQ...... It increases collagen synthesis yes..... but not cross-linking connectivity. Meaning..... It leaves the new fibers brittle and weak.

ohhhh, so Deca doesn't will leave them as strong as before, or after?

Perhaps if someone doesn't mind could you give me some idea of a good cycle that might just help me through my recover/physical therapy? Something that would help me just put on some solid muscle with lower back exercises that they give me to do. I also need to do some work for a bad shoulder... so if the suggested cycles might help me to build the muscles around the rotator cuff, etc. I have a osteoarthritis, a torn posterior deltoid and the shoulder is not stable... it needs surgery but they did say building the muscles around it can help.

**boxingfan30** · 10-25-2013, 09:00 AM

I just got my free test results back and from 35-155 I was at 143.4 and total as I said my total is at 834. I feel good as far as mood and such, but now I'm wondering if the vitamin d is going to make it go up and out of range? Is that bad if it does?

**powerliftmike** · 10-25-2013, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by Hazard

Ok regarding EQ...... It increases collagen synthesis yes..... but not cross-linking connectivity. Meaning..... It leaves the new fibers brittle and weak.

Yes that is correct. I believe that is the main culprit behind winstrol . So we need to be careful with our definitions. It does increase tendon growth essentially but results in a far weaker tendon. It has led to several injuries for me in the past. It also never did much for muscle growth either. Sounds like EQ in that respect too.

**boxingfan30** · 10-25-2013, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by powerliftmike

Yes that is correct. I believe that is the main culprit behind winstrol . So we need to be careful with our definitions. It does increase tendon growth essentially but results in a far weaker tendon. It has led to several injuries for me in the past. It also never did much for muscle growth either. Sounds like EQ in that respect too.

I always thought winstrol just really dried a person out

**Hazard** · 10-25-2013, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by powerliftmike

Yes that is correct. I believe that is the main culprit behind winstrol . So we need to be careful with our definitions. It does increase tendon growth essentially but results in a far weaker tendon. It has led to several injuries for me in the past. It also never did much for muscle growth either. Sounds like EQ in that respect too.

Yep I've been sayin this for a couple years and posted studies on it with EQ. No one listens lol

**boxingfan30** · 10-25-2013, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

Yep I've been sayin this for a couple years and posted studies on it with EQ. No one listens lol

I'm listening/reading.. if it does these things to tendons and such then I don't want any part of it. I mean even Anavar increases collagen synthesis at 100 and some % and has been deemed "pretty safe", but orals aren't great for the liver... in that case I should just keep taking my ibuprofen that's bad for my liver.