first ever cycle help

**lineback79** · 10-28-2013, 12:10 PM

I have never touched any kind of steroid before and honestly never even thought about it until an opportunity arose to get some from a co worker. I have been doing research for a few weeks and searched forums looking for insight from the ones who know from first hand experience. From what I have read it is good to go with only test for the very first cycle but most of the cycles I see for "beginners" are stack cycles with something other that test. I have what so far I think might be a good cycle any input would be greatly appreciated.

Week 1 test prop 50mg eod
Week 2 test prop 100mg eod
Week 3-9 test prop 150 mg eod
Week 10 test prop 100 mg eod
Week 11 test prop 50 mg eod

Novaldex starting 3 days after last injection of 50/40/40/40 ed

I also have access to proviron I have heard it's useless so not sure if I should even take it from him or tell him I don't want it at all.

I'm sure I also need an AI and I have read to also take clomid with the novaldex but was just looking for feedback as to what I have so far.. thanks

**bass** · 10-28-2013, 12:15 PM

why are you ramping up and down, stay with one dose throughout the cycle. you also nee AI and hCG to take along with your test. have you read this?

My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle

**lineback79** · 10-28-2013, 12:40 PM

Yes I actually read that thread a little while ago and after reading up on hcg on this website I was thinking it wasn't necessary and could actually hinder me because it says hcg suppresses natural production itself. And as for the ramping up and down that was because I have read it best to ease into and out of it so as not to shock your system so hard and shut down your production immediately. Also with the hcg it said it's needed for heavy or long cycles and I wasn't sure if this smaller short cycle required the use of hcg

**lineback79** · 10-28-2013, 12:50 PM

Also on the hcg I was confused about that because the website talks about it as a pct only yet I see people talking about taking it during cycle. What does hcg do for you as far as if you take it during cycle. And for arimidex should that continue to be taken through your pct or stopped one pct is started.

**Back In Black** · 10-28-2013, 12:54 PM

Over 30% bodyfat? Forget the AAS and visit our nutrition forum instead.

Good luck.

**lineback79** · 10-28-2013, 01:02 PM

I'm not 100% sure what the percentage is that was an educated guess based on height and weight as well as comparing myself to the photos that show people at different percentages. I was planning on doing the test as a cutting cycle to drop the fat without losing muscle and maybe even be able to still get stronger at the same time. I have heard that it's either a cutting cycle or a bulking cycle and no real middle ground but was looking at mainly cutting and still hoping for some modest strength improvement as well

**MuscleInk** · 10-28-2013, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

Over 30% bodyfat? Forget the AAS and visit our nutrition forum instead.

Good luck.

^^^Agreed. You are taking unnecessary risks at a bf% that high. Focus on nutrition and training for a few years. Get that bf% closer to 15% and the benefit:risk ratio will tip in your favor.

**Capebuffalo** · 10-28-2013, 01:15 PM

Diet is your key. Also I wouldn't run a short ester like a long ester.

**lineback79** · 10-28-2013, 01:16 PM

Would a test only cycle not be beneficial as a cutting cycle?

**lineback79** · 10-28-2013, 01:20 PM

buffalo what do you mean by running a short ester like a long ester. What am I doing wrong. The proposed cycle was only tentative and I am off course more than willing to change anything and everything with it that was just a starting point.

**MuscleInk** · 10-28-2013, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by lineback79

Would a test only cycle not be beneficial as a cutting cycle?

No. At that body fat the side effects and risks are not in your favor. If better health and fitness is truly your goal, improve training (cardio & strength) and work on nutritional changes (e.g. perhaps lower calories daily to 500-750 below TDEE). Any gear should be saved until you bring that bf down.

Why risk your health when your goal is to improve?

**Capebuffalo** · 10-28-2013, 01:34 PM

Short esters are faster acting so you don't run them as long.

Figure out body fat if you are over 15 % don't start. Too many risk associated with it.

**Zodiac85** · 10-28-2013, 01:35 PM

The reason people are recommending against running a cycle based on your bf is that higher bf leads to higher test estrogen conversion. You are more likely to have estrogen side effects like the dreaded bitch tits. Not to mention the unseen problems with high estrogen, like heart issues and more.

Especially at 30%, cutting can absolutely be accomplished through diet, while maintaining strength. I continued to improve my strength until I got down to 12%. That seemed to be the point for me where continued cutting led to strength loss.

**lineback79** · 10-28-2013, 01:40 PM

Ok. I can be hard headed but not when it comes to health and when the experts say don't I won't. Was just going I could use them for as a cutting cycle aid as I have been trying to lose weight for some time. Yet again also that bf% was purely a guess it could be lower. I'm 270lbs and 6'2" the only place I have fat is my core. I know my weight to height I should be about 210lbs so. 60lbs over weight would put me at more like 22% if I'm doing that right.

**lineback79** · 10-28-2013, 01:43 PM

And from what yoy are saying the big risk in taking with a high bf is because of the conversion would that not be something that could be handled by just taking a higher dose of AI or by adding a low dose of novaldex during cycle?

**lineback79** · 10-28-2013, 01:53 PM

And I do want to say thank you to everyone for the input and recommendations they are not taken lightly on me I assure you. I was half expecting to get reamed by you guys for my newbie questions and inexperienced views on the matter but everyone has been very forthcoming and helpful and I thank you for it.

**Capebuffalo** · 10-28-2013, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by lineback79

And I do want to say thank you to everyone for the input and recommendations they are not taken lightly on me I assure you. I was half expecting to get reamed by you guys for my newbie questions and inexperienced views on the matter but everyone has been very forthcoming and helpful and I thank you for it.

Which more guys were like you.

**OnTheSauce** · 10-28-2013, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by lineback79

Ok. I can be hard headed but not when it comes to health and when the experts say don't I won't. Was just going I could use them for as a cutting cycle aid as I have been trying to lose weight for some time. Yet again also that bf% was purely a guess it could be lower. I'm 270lbs and 6'2" the only place I have fat is my core. I know my weight to height I should be about 210lbs so. 60lbs over weight would put me at more like 22% if I'm doing that right.

You cannot determine body fat by height and weight alone. Post a pic and we can give you some educated guesses

**bass** · 10-28-2013, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

Over 30% bodyfat? Forget the AAS and visit our nutrition forum instead.

Good luck.

geeeez....... I missed that one LOL!

**lineback79** · 10-28-2013, 02:35 PM

Ok I'll stick a pic up when I can get one.

**lineback79** · 10-28-2013, 03:58 PM

Profile pic added as onthesauce was saying could anyone guesstimate a bf.

**lineback79** · 10-29-2013, 08:44 AM

Bump for some help guessing a bf% please

**Back In Black** · 10-29-2013, 08:51 AM

Well over 30% I think. You need to be looking at losing at LEAST 50lbs before you even start considering thinking about AAS.

Please head over to our nutrition forum to formulate a diet and cardio plan

**Zodiac85** · 10-29-2013, 09:14 AM

I know that people use aas all different ways, some good and some bad. I have not used test to cut, but I have cut naturally several times. I think a lot of people are confused about why to use test to cut. I would not use test to cut fat, you can use clen or eca or lots of other things for that if necessary. The utility of test is to maintain muscle mass and strength while cutting. I was able to cut naturally down to 12% before I started to feel a decrease in performance. In my opinion, an aas cutting cycle should be used to go from 12 to 8% (or whatever, on the low end of the spectrum) vs 30% to 20%.

**lineback79** · 10-29-2013, 09:20 AM

Ok. Thank you guys so much for the help. I already got the gear from the guy at work but it will stay in the closet for a few months. Maybe that will be the drive to push me over the edge to lose the weight so I can start on it. I'll be in the nutrition forum.. thanks again