I did blood tests when doing both these cycles, results favor test
Test 500. 20 mg dbol daily
Hdl 56. 39
LDL. 108. 160
Hematocrit. 51. 49
Thought I would share, don't see many blood test result threads pop up
Also, bp was higher on dbol
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I did blood tests when doing both these cycles, results favor test
Test 500. 20 mg dbol daily
Hdl 56. 39
LDL. 108. 160
Hematocrit. 51. 49
Thought I would share, don't see many blood test result threads pop up
Also, bp was higher on dbol
How about your test levels on both
Didn't test for it, I know both worked because I felt the gains
I was more worried about its impact on my health, mainly the areas I felt we're the most important(bp, cholesterol, and blood thickness)
Lol. You realize dbol shuts down natty production right? And you should never do dbol alone because of this...
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Originally Posted by OnTheSauce
Dbol is also highly androgenic, replacing any androgens lost from test
I was still banging my wife on the reg with dbol only
5 x 10 OTS is correct. When it comes to sex drive it's far more complicated that just equating sex drive = testosterone. I was at a 59 T level (tumor related) and all systems downstairs were still a go. But seriously, always run test as a base.
well, at least your conclusion is correct, test alone is better than dbol alone.
Curious...how long have you kept any gains from the dbol only cycle?
Get your bloodwork on dbol only buddy. Even anavar will shut you down.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5x10
I'm not disputing that it won't shut me down, I'm disputing the fact that test is necessary with a highly androgenic steroid, as the androgens are what make a man a manQuote:
Originally Posted by OnTheSauce
In regards to libido, appetite, and energy, I felt great on dbol(all things considered when looking for low test symptoms)
I have run a deca only cycle and I could only take 6 weeks of it as I had 0 sex drive
And I do agree that Dbol only cycles suck when compared to test based cycles
Dbol did blow me up quickly, but also caused headaches, joint pain, high bp, and shitty blood work
It's surprising that a small amt of dbol(140mgs a week) were worse on my blood profile than 500mgs of test a week
I like dbol but prefer anadrol.
So I can take any AAS with a high androgen level and not need testosterone? Tell me more please.
Why don't you tell me why I have to have it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lunk1
And your going to have to have a very convincing argument to change my mind, over what I experienced
So....you don't know the answer to my question? I honestly could give 2 shits about changing your mind. Just figured since yoyu spouted off with such conviction that you might actually have something to back up your claim other than the fact you still got a little stiffy.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5x10
By the way...Testosterone is a hormone and it's what makes a man a man. Not any androgen. If that were the case don't ya suppose men would be given dbol or abombs for TRT?
Omniscience.
Prescience.
Broscience.
When I do a cycle, I expect trt resultsQuote:
Originally Posted by Lunk1
Answer pleaseQuote:
Originally Posted by Lunk1
the funny thing is, op is really trying to say that test-only is better than dbol-only. so whats the fight about?
The blood numbers are interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by AD
OP, how long was each cycle and at what point did you get the blood tests?
[QUOTE=5x10;6715418]When I do a cycle, I expect trt results
Seems like a waste of a cycle. Personally I expect far above trt results.
Does you felt that you lost most of gains from dbol ?
Just ask any doctor who knows hormones. Specifically any A4M Certified doc. Yes, Dbol is an androgen but it's NOT bio-identical testosterone, which is the point your missing. Androgens are NOT all the same. Dbol effects the AR quite differently than test. Any scientific journal will tell you this. Our bodies need testosterone for proper hormonal balance, they don't need dbol for anything. How you felt while running it means nothing short term. Try implementing it in place of TRT. In time, you'll be begging for testosterone.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5x10
The OP is a moron. Thread ended. That is unless anybody else wants to talk more shit to him then that is ok.
^^^glad someone said it!Quote:
Originally Posted by kelkel
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Originally Posted by OnTheSauce
dude you are WRONG. yes it is androgenic but your body does NOT use dbol for its MANY bodily functions as it would use TESTOSTERONE! you are WRONG in thinking it is the same thing just because it is androgenic, is is NOT as simple as that! Is is MUCH more complicated... How have you been a member here since 2007 and still have this amount of ignorance on the subject? ( I mean no offense, im just stunned)Quote:
Originally Posted by 5x10
he thinks an androgen in any steroid that is highly androgenic acts 100% the same way in the body as testosterone... **** sex drive, Im more concerned with my many other bodily functions...Quote:
Originally Posted by AD
this is borderline flaming. would you like to put your point across in a more gentlemanly fashion?Quote:
Originally Posted by rotty2
I just feel like anybody who knows anything knows running a oral only cycle is no good yet he gets defensive when everybody points out that he is wrong. His stance can lead to some people who don't know any better to a very disappointing experience. I once ran a dbol only cycle (along time ago) and the surge in endorphins and androgens can deceive you into thinking your better off then you actually are then it catches up with you. Your T will be trashed, its like taking something to mask a injury or pain but the real problem is still there.Quote:
Originally Posted by AD
Is that better ?
perfect. thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by rotty2
Whatever he thinks (the OP), the title and first post of this thread simply shows blood test results on 500mg/wk test compared with blood test results on 20mg/day dbol.
I'd like to know the time line. Were these done at the end? Mid? How many weeks on?