Hoping for a bit off help

**richy@** · 10-31-2013, 04:30 PM

I have just come off tren after 2 years on and off but never given time to recover basically now I've been off a good 7 weeks I'm ****ed I've never felt so depressed in my whole life I'm currently using nolva for pct not sure if this could be making things worse but I feel like just jumping back on and staying on for life

**songdog** · 10-31-2013, 04:34 PM

Well a good pct is nova and clomid.But you need to get blood work done to see where your at.But I will bet there is a real good chance you will be on trt.

**richy@** · 10-31-2013, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by songdog

Well a good pct is nova and clomid.But you need to get blood work done to see where your at.But I will bet there is a real good chance you will be on trt.

I don't even care about trt mate just want to feel normall again even if it does mean jabbing up every 2-3 weeks

**MuscleInk** · 10-31-2013, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by richy@

I have just come off tren after 2 years on and off but never given time to recover basically now I've been off a good 7 weeks I'm ****ed I've never felt so depressed in my whole life I'm currently using nolva for pct not sure if this could be making things worse but I feel like just jumping back on and staying on for life

Can you be more specific?
How long did you run tren ?
Any testosterone with the cycle?
AI for estrogen control or caber or prami for prolactin control?
Have you had any blood work done yet?

**bass** · 10-31-2013, 04:40 PM

post your stats.

**richy@** · 10-31-2013, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Can you be more specific? How long did you run tren? Any testosterone with the cycle? AI for estrogen control or caber or prami for prolactin control? Have you had any blood work done yet?

I'm not denying that I'm not a idiot because I am but basically have just been messing around past 2 years switching compounds test the whole time deca in there at one point I ust to come off for a few weeks maybe a month and just jump back on but just lately I had a severe panic attack and said enough is enough I did use Adex mate and hcg
Btw I don't feel shut down really balls etc back to normal no problems down there really but the way I feel is horrific I haven't cryed on around 4-5 years past few weeks ain't been a day I've not

**MuscleInk** · 10-31-2013, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by richy@

I'm not denying that I'm not a idiot because I am but basically have just been messing around past 2 years switching compounds test the whole time deca in there at one point I ust to come off for a few weeks maybe a month and just jump back on but just lately I had a severe panic attack and said enough is enough I did use Adex mate and hcg
Btw I don't feel shut down really balls etc back to normal no problems down there really but the way I feel is horrific I haven't cryed on around 4-5 years past few weeks ain't been a day I've not

Unfortunately, testicular size/atrophy does not predict function on cycle. About 50% of men do not experience noticeable changes in testicular size. The current problem may be multifactorial (LH, FSH, E2, testosterone , or others). Blood work should be ordered to see what may be contributing to the problem(s).

It certainly sounds like your HTPA is no longer functioning correctly.

**richy@** · 10-31-2013, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Unfortunately, testicular size/atrophy does not predict function on cycle. About 50% of men do not experience noticeable changes in testicular size. The current problem may be multifactorial (LH, FSH, E2, testosterone, or others). Blood work should be ordered to see what may be contributing to the problem(s). It certainly sounds like your HTPA is no longer functioning correctly.

I didn't want to go to the doctors but I guess it's my only option should I admit about my aas abuse ps I'm over in the uk

**MuscleInk** · 10-31-2013, 05:09 PM

Originally Posted by richy@

I didn't want to go to the doctors but I guess it's my only option should I admit about my aas abuse ps I'm over in the uk

Your MD or a private lab would be ideal. Don't admit to AAS use. Describe your symptoms only.

Lowtestosterone.com may be an option. Not sure if they service outside the US yet though. I suspect not.

Ideally, all hormone ranges should be examined (E2 sensitive assay for men, LH, FSH, testosterone ).

We can trouble shoot on our end but without proper blood work, our recommendations would be largely guess work. I suspect your HTPA isn't signaling the release of FSH or LH and you aren't producing the needed testosterone.

**richy@** · 10-31-2013, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Your MD or a private lab would be ideal. Don't admit to AAS use. Describe your symptoms only. Lowtestosterone.com may be an option. Not sure if they service outside the US yet though. I suspect not. Ideally, all hormone ranges should be examined (E2 sensitive assay for men, LH, FSH, testosterone). We can trouble shoot on our end but without proper blood work, our recommendations would be largely guess work. I suspect your HTPA isn't signaling the release of FSH or LH and you aren't producing the needed testosterone.

Ok mate I will get blood work sorted thanks for the help aswell mate