My first cycle, let me know what you think!

**Phoenix18** · 11-02-2013, 06:09 AM

Hey everyone. I've been planning my first cycle now for quite some time. Gathering all the necessary info and putting together a solid plan. I have been lifting serious now for 3 1/2 years. (5 years in total) and have gained quite a bit of size and strength.

My current stats are 25 years old. 6'2.5 216-218lbs. With fairly low BF% 10 to 13% if I had to guess.

I have a weekly workout routine planned that I have already been doing for the past few weeks. Also my diet is on point. I have a very flexible job which allows me to eat constantly

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Ok now on to my cycle! This is the plan, let me know what you guys think.

Week 1 - 12 test c @ 500mg per Week 2 -250mg shots

Week 1 - 14 hcg @ 500iu per week also split into 2 shots

Week 1 - 14 liquid anastrozole starting at .25mg EOD and adjusting accordingly throughout cycle

Week 14.5 - 19 Clomid/ nolva and liquid exemestane

So there it is guys. Please feel free to comment with some advice on any part if my upcoming cycle. All info and opinions are welcome. I have done my research but I'm always looking to learn more.

Thanks in advance!!

**austinite** · 11-02-2013, 06:21 AM

Hey there,

- hCG on cycle only, not post cycle.
- No exemesatane during PCT. Nolva and clomid only.

Can you please list your planned PCT protocol?

**fit2bOld** · 11-02-2013, 06:21 AM

What is your Pct dosages. You really don't need the extremesane. Clomid and nolva will be fine. The test AI and hcg looks good.

**Bio-Active** · 11-02-2013, 06:22 AM

Why are you running aromasin during pct?

**Phoenix18** · 11-02-2013, 06:26 AM

Also just an update, I will be running biotech test cyp, livzon hcg , and liquid AI's and PCT. I had my first shot of test yesterday and my first shot of HCG will be tonight. No PIP after injecting. Had my fiancé do it, she aspirated and injected very slowly with a 25g 1-1/2 needle. Not to sore today just a little stiff. I can't wait to start feeling this stuff in 4-5 weeks. Diet has been on point now for the past few months. I will be increasing calories as my cycle progresses to not hinder gains in any way.

**Phoenix18** · 11-02-2013, 06:29 AM

Thanks for the fast responses guys. I will only be running hcg during cycle and the two weeks up until PCT starts. Planned PCT is clomid @ 100/50/50/50 and Nolva 40/20/20/20. I had read in an article that aromasin during PCT was helpful due to its suicidal properties. But if you guys don't see a need for it, then I guess I can eliminate that. I'm very open to everyone here's opinions because this seems to be the most knowledgable forum I'm apart of.

Thanks

**austinite** · 11-02-2013, 06:32 AM

Originally Posted by Phoenix18

Thanks for the fast responses guys. I will only be running hcg during cycle and the two weeks up until PCT starts. Planned PCT is clomid @ 100/50/50/50 and Nolva 40/20/20/20. I had read in an article that aromasin during PCT was helpful due to its suicidal properties. But if you guys don't see a need for it, then I guess I can eliminate that. I'm very open to everyone here's opinions because this seems to be the most knowledgable forum I'm apart of.

Thanks

PCT looks fine. There's no need for hCG post cycle (you want to recover, not continue to be suppressed). No need for aromasin during PCT. Not sure what the idea is here but you only need serms.

**Lunk1** · 11-02-2013, 06:35 AM

No need for the Aromasin , make the HCG change Austin suggested and it looks good. Stats look great as well. Care to post a pic and get some second opinions on that BF%?

**Phoenix18** · 11-02-2013, 06:45 AM

Austinite thank you for your responses. I touched up my cycle after reading your stickies on this site. The only reason I was going to run the hcg on the 2 weeks in between my cycle and pct was I was under the impression that my test levels would still be elevated for around 14 days with test cyp still in my system so I thought I needed to run the hcg until 5 days before pct.

And I will try to find the study on aromasin that had me integrating into my PCT. But honestly I'm just going to drop it from my plan. I don't feel as though I would need any extra in my pct anyways.

**Phoenix18** · 11-02-2013, 06:46 AM

I am currently at work but yes I do plan on posting some pictures. Some from before I started seriously lifting (embarrassing) and some new pics. Probably later on today.

**austinite** · 11-02-2013, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by Phoenix18

Austinite thank you for your responses. I touched up my cycle after reading your stickies on this site. The only reason I was going to run the hcg on the 2 weeks in between my cycle and pct was I was under the impression that my test levels would still be elevated for around 14 days with test cyp still in my system so I thought I needed to run the hcg until 5 days before pct.

And I will try to find the study on aromasin that had me integrating into my PCT. But honestly I'm just going to drop it from my plan. I don't feel as though I would need any extra in my pct anyways.

It's true, they would still be elevated, however, you're in recovery mode from the second you stop injecting. So it's important to seize all compounds during the wait period for PCT so that you start PCT without any sort of suppression. hCG is suppressive so it should never be used post cycle.

Be sure to get blood work. You seem to have a good head on your shoulders. Best of luck to you.

**Phoenix18** · 11-02-2013, 06:52 AM

Ok so I will stop the hcg the same week I stop the test (week 12) and drop the aromasin during PCT.

Thanks for the help guys.

I will be continually posting updates on here as my cycle progresses and I should have pics up by tomorrow.

**chester101** · 11-02-2013, 06:56 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

It's true, they would still be elevated, however, you're in recovery mode from the second you stop injecting. So it's important to seize all compounds during the wait period for PCT so that you start PCT without any sort of suppression. hCG is suppressive so it should never be used post cycle.

Be sure to get blood work. You seem to have a good head on your shoulders. Best of luck to you.

Sorry to jump on... austinite.... is running hcg for 10 days after cycle (none during) a definite no no then?? Cheers.

**austinite** · 11-02-2013, 06:57 AM

Originally Posted by chester101

Sorry to jump on... austinite.... is running hcg for 10 days after cycle (none during) a definite no no then?? Cheers.

Correct. A definite no.

HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

**Phoenix18** · 11-02-2013, 07:05 AM

Quick little subject change. What is everyone's thoughts on biotech gear?

**Sfla80** · 11-02-2013, 07:55 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Correct. A definite no.

HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

I think you might have read that wrong aust or maybe my knowledge is wrong. Always thought drop hcg about 4 days before pct starts. Just curious. Dont mean to be stepping on toes here

**austinite** · 11-02-2013, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by Sfla80

I think you might have read that wrong aust or maybe my knowledge is wrong. Always thought drop hcg about 4 days before pct starts. Just curious. Dont mean to be stepping on toes here

I recommend that hCG is halted at the end of the cycle. No need to go further. Not saying it's detrimental, but to a degree, it is healthier than using it between end of cycle and PCT.

Ending a cycle means ending any suppressive compounds, that includes hCG.

**Sfla80** · 11-02-2013, 10:07 AM

Ok heard

**DAAS** · 11-02-2013, 10:16 AM

There seems to be so many different views on HCG . I've heard anything from take 1 5000iu injection after your cycle to dont use it at all, to use it only on cycle, to use it ever 3.5 days in pct for 2 weeks.

Thats the down side to forums vs specialist instructions. there will always be contradicting information.

Id say in general though Austin usually knows the correct answer

**Phoenix18** · 11-02-2013, 12:39 PM

Yeah, based on all the studies I've read I can't see why anyone wouldn't use it throughout their cycle.

**chester101** · 11-03-2013, 03:37 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Correct. A definite no.

HCG: Why you should use it on-cycle only & how to prepare your hCG for injections

You understand why I asked this austinite?? I'm refering to 'recommended' cycles..... on steroid .com. but I will take your advice over theirs! Thankyou.

**Back In Black** · 11-03-2013, 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by chester101

You understand why I asked this austinite?? I'm refering to 'recommended' cycles..... on steroid.com. but I will take your advice over theirs! Thankyou.

Chester there are some older writings that just haven't been changed or removed. Yet.

Austin is correct (he loves hearing that).

**chester101** · 11-03-2013, 05:03 AM

Originally Posted by Back In Black

Chester there are some older writings that just haven't been changed or removed. Yet.

Austin is correct (he loves hearing that).

Yeah I've already been spanked for questioning the 'cave writings'! I'll go with austin as she/he obviously knows their stuff.... (plus daren't argue lol)

**fit2bOld** · 11-03-2013, 07:49 AM

Originally Posted by chester101

Yeah I've already been spanked for questioning the 'cave writings'! I'll go with austin as she/he obviously knows their stuff.... (plus daren't argue lol)

That's right don't argue with Austinite.
She's the man. Lol

**Phoenix18** · 11-03-2013, 02:15 PM

Ok here we go. Posting up some pics of me.

**Phoenix18** · 11-03-2013, 02:17 PM

The first pics was right when I started lifting seriously haha. The second pic was about 1.5 years ago. The second and 3rd pic are from about 8 months ago I believe. And the last pic was last week.

I will have some more pics later on hopefully

**chester101** · 11-03-2013, 03:16 PM

Looking good bro!

**Phoenix18** · 11-03-2013, 05:03 PM

Thanks man!

**L-j** · 11-04-2013, 08:21 AM

Nice solid base, thinking of running the same cycle as my first. Hope to see you update us frequently. Good luck bro!!

**Phoenix18** · 11-04-2013, 10:21 AM

Ok guys, time for some embarrassing pics. These were taken 4 years ago I believe. Don't judge me!! Lmao

**Phoenix18** · 11-07-2013, 09:33 AM

I will be taking my third pin of test cyp tomorrow and also hcg . I can't wait to finally feel this stuff. Workouts have been good. Not much of a placebo effect for me because I know it hasn't truly affected me yet.

Anyways, I was just wondering what ways can you determine if your E2 levels are too high versus to low?

**Lunk1** · 11-07-2013, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by Phoenix18

I will be taking my third pin of test cyp tomorrow and also hcg . I can't wait to finally feel this stuff. Workouts have been good. Not much of a placebo effect for me because I know it hasn't truly affected me yet.

Anyways, I was just wondering what ways can you determine if your E2 levels are too high versus to low?

Blood work is the only TRUE way but you can get a good idea by knowing how your body reacts. Often the signs of low or high estrogen are similar. Lack of libido or erection quality, lack of energy, high bp. Low always effects my joints. I get very sore joints when my E2 is too low.

**crazy mike** · 11-07-2013, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Blood work is the only TRUE way but you can get a good idea by knowing how your body reacts. Often the signs of low or high estrogen are similar. Lack of libido or erection quality, lack of energy, high bp. Low always effects my joints. I get very sore joints when my E2 is too low.

By the way man you are looking real good and should be proud of your hard work !

Also I was going to post about the same as Lunk here. I have unfortunately been at the extreme high side as crashing my E2 and both have some similar sides. High Estrogen didn't have as much lethargy as did the low for me. If you hit too low you will know it, and know it for sure. You will feel like sh!t and won't want to do anything, kinda want to die. At high levels you will never be comfortable with how you feel day in day out. Appetite and energy as well as libido will fluctuate day in day out, hours to hours. ...crazy mike

**Phoenix18** · 11-07-2013, 01:25 PM

Thanks crazy mike, I've been busting my ass the last few years to try and see max results naturally! And thanks for your responses guys. I'm not seeing any sides yet, I was just curious if there was any specific difference between hi and low E2.

I'm hope long I don't experience either based on what people say ?

**crazy mike** · 11-07-2013, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Phoenix18

Thanks crazy mike, I've been busting my ass the last few years to try and see max results naturally! And thanks for your responses guys. I'm not seeing any sides yet, I was just curious if there was any specific difference between hi and low E2.
I'm hope long I don't experience either based on what people say ?

Ah ha my friend. Just a note if you didn't catch it. The sides for high Estro are not as prevalent as to the sides of low. You may miss the sides as to too high if no Gyno and bloat come to your attention. But I reiterate you will know if you are to low you will feel like crap before you even crash. Of course BW will tell you accurately with no guessing. Good luck !

...crazy mike

**Phoenix18** · 11-09-2013, 08:24 AM

Quick update guys. So I plan on going for blood work during my 5th week of cycle. But I'm in the middle of my second week right now and I'm noticing I feel more tired than usual.

Any thoughts on this? Possibly high E2?

Any input is appreciated. Thanks!

**Lunk1** · 11-09-2013, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Phoenix18

Quick update guys. So I plan on going for blood work during my 5th week of cycle. But I'm in the middle of my second week right now and I'm noticing I feel more tired than usual.

Any thoughts on this? Possibly high E2?

Any input is appreciated. Thanks!

2nd week? Not likely. I'm guessing your pushing yourself harder and just tired. Don't be afraid to rest. I tend to get sluggish on cycle everytime.

**crazy mike** · 11-09-2013, 11:20 AM

I always get worn out during a big cycle. I go, go, go in the gym and it catches up to me. ...crazy mike

**Phoenix18** · 11-09-2013, 02:22 PM

Thanks for the replies guys. Yeah that must be it. I haven't really changed my workouts. I've even taken a few extra rest days.

Diet has been on point as well, haven't missed one meal.

It must just be in my head. Btw I workout 4 days a week and my split is. Chest ending with dips to failure. Back ending with 3 sets of barbell curls. Shoulders and arms. And legs and calves.