my cycle plan, please critique

[gymguy1990]

Hello. So a little background info on me. I have been working out for 7+ years, naturally, and am about to turn 24. I am 6ft and weight 220. I decided to take the next step and want to try a prohormone or AAS. I have done much research and I know that if you can get your hand on an AAS it is better than a prohormone but I don't have a source. I wanted to do a 12 week test e or cyp cycle at 500 mgs but don't think I will be able to get it, at least for now, so I decided that I might try Havoc by RPN. I have read good reviews about it and seeing as this is my first time trying anything hormone like, seems like something doable because you only cycle it typically for 4 weeks. So I figured I would do this
week 1, 30 mg ed
week 2, 30 mg ed
week 3, 30 mg ed
week 4, 30 mg ed

PCT will prob be 4 weeks

clomid 75/50/50/50
nolvadex 40/20/20/20

I have read that havoc is non estrogenic so I figure I don't need an AI but not 100% sure if I should still get one. For liver protection N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) daily. I am also not 100% sure when exactly to start PCT. I figure since the half life of Havoc is short, 6-8 hours, I should start PCT 2-3 days after last oral.

BTW I understand nutrition and for the most part my nutrition is fine with regards to protein/carb/fat intake. Please share your opinions on this cycle and if it is worth it because according to many, especially those who have never tried any type of PH/PS or AAS before trying havoc, Havoc gives great strength and lean size gains.

[gymguy1990]

BTW BF is around 14-17%, sorry I cant give an exact number but it in that range.

[P0RK CH0P]

Your body fat is too high, hit up the nutrition section and learn how to diet before you start any AAS.

Also don't waste your money on PH's. You couldn't pay me enough to take them.

[gymguy1990]

At the moment the only thing I would be able to get AAS wise would be andromix, (tren 50mg, test p 50mg, mast 50mg). I feel that this is a little intense for a first cycle especially because of the tren. Even though I have heard of people taking tren first cycle, it seems to be something that is for the more experienced user. Also I didn't know that 14-17% is to high to start a cycle. I understand nutrition thourghly, at least I think I do, I just don't follow a perfect diet but a relatively descent one.

[crazy mike]

AI like Arimidex is to control your Estrogen level because the Test will increase your Estrogen will rise. If you do Test or an anabolic steroid you need an AI in all circumstances when your E2 gets high.

Do more reading is a good suggestion. ...crazy mike

[gymguy1990]

AI like Arimidex is to control your Estrogen level because the Test will increase your Estrogen will rise. If you do Test or an anabolic steroid you need an AI in all circumstances when your E2 gets high.

Do more reading is a good suggestion. ...crazy mike

I know what an AI is and what it does from a biochemical perspective (med student), I am asking if it is needed for something like Havoc by RPN. I know you would need it with something like test cyp, etc, because aromatase would catalyze testosterone to estradiol. I am asking if it is needed with Havoc because apparently it is anti estrogenic and according to forums, nobody states that you need an AI but I want to be sure.

[kronik420]

wait until you can get your hands on some test..

[Fcastle357]

If your gonna run it havoc anyway four weeks is too short. Needs to be six to eight. It just starts kicking in at four weeks. It is a good compound. First prohormone I ran. Sides can be very bad. I had very high blood pressure couldn't sleep and I'm sure my lipid profile was screwed. My dose was only 30mg. Your pct is overkill to. Just run nolva or clomid.

[gymguy1990]

wait until you can get your hands on some test..

I would, just the issue is I have no source, so to speak. That was my first choice. The source I have only has eq or andromix on hand, I don't really want to take either as I am a first timer. He can potentially get test e or c but I don't know if he would for me. This is why I am leaning towards Havoc for the moment but am not sure.

[gymguy1990]

If your gonna run it havoc anyway four weeks is too short. Needs to be six to eight. It just starts kicking in at four weeks. It is a good compound. First prohormone I ran. Sides can be very bad. I had very high blood pressure couldn't sleep and I'm sure my lipid profile was screwed. My dose was only 30mg. Your pct is overkill to. Just run nolva or clomid.

Thanks for the reply. I read that on havoc people stop having gains after 4-5 weeks and that is when the sides really start to kick in, which was my reasoning for 4 weeks also among the fact that many others told me 4 weeks.

[itsjayman02]

No source no cycle simple!!

[gymguy1990]

No source no cycle simple!!

So you wouldn't consider a PH/PS. Aside from the research on Havoc, I have heard from people personally and on forums that PHs are good and then I also hear they are bad and shouldn't be touched. I don't know who to believe on this one. I know AAS are recommended over PH but if you don't have a source, PH shouldn't be considered at all?