Why do people run Tren higher than Test?

**armyranger516862006** · 11-06-2013, 05:27 PM

Ok guys I am wanting to here your opinions on this. What's the reasoning behind this? Another thing lowering test down, will that effect libido or anything like that. I kinda look forward to having that high sex drive during cycle.

**redz** · 11-06-2013, 05:51 PM

Less sides,

**Psaletta** · 11-06-2013, 05:55 PM

I believe it has to do with allowing the receptors to get more of the tren then test so you get more of the benefits of the tren. I may be wrong but, I believe that's what I've read. I run them at the same mgs and both short esters.

**crazy mike** · 11-06-2013, 06:00 PM

It is an individual choice as far as I'm concerned. The less of anything is a good choice so if you are using Tren for it's best results the you might use the Test at a lower dose. You will have less water and overall bloating with less Test. However that is really what your diet is to take care of. So it's all how you care to diet and your primary cycle purpose. ....crazy mike

**kelkel** · 11-06-2013, 06:04 PM

It's to maintain a normal, physiological test level while letting the tren do the work for you. After all, tren is 5X as powerful as test.

**evander87** · 11-06-2013, 06:06 PM

Personally I ran my first cycle low test 125mg/week tren high 400mg/week because I wanted to know exactly what I was feeling and getting from the tren alone. I don't understand why people stack so many compounds so quickly. Which compound did what for / to you?

Next cycle is going to be test 250 tren 600/week

**crazy mike** · 11-06-2013, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

It's to maintain a normal, physiological test level while letting the tren do the work for you. After all, tren is 5X as powerful as test.

^^^^^^ Yep,

...crazy mike

**armyranger516862006** · 11-06-2013, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

It's to maintain a normal, physiological test level while letting the tren do the work for you. After all, tren is 5X as powerful as test.

That makes sense. So basically your letting the Tren take over as a base? Will having the lower test effect libido in any way, because Tren is higher?

**armyranger516862006** · 11-06-2013, 06:38 PM

So if one is running Tren at 500mg. Is it okay to do Test at 500mg? If I were to continue running Test higher than Tren, I would not be getting the maximum benefit from Tren?

**BBJT200** · 11-06-2013, 06:47 PM

500mg test with 500mg tren could work for you, but you will likely find better results with 200-250mg test w\ 500mg tren. Estrogen = fat gain or slowed fat loss. Higher test dose = more estrogen unless your AI is dialed in perfectly with bloodwork.

There is no need to run test high when running tren high.

...not to mention you'll likely get less sweating, less mood swings, less nightmares, etc.

**kelkel** · 11-06-2013, 06:48 PM

Sure you can. You would benefit from both. Remember, more is not always better and it elevates the chances for sides.

**armyranger516862006** · 11-06-2013, 07:54 PM

Ok so i am gonna drop the Test down to 300mg and keep Tren at 500mg. I was afraid at first because Tren being hihger, that it would cause some libido and tren dick problems lol but since it's coming from some trusted Vets i'm good. I will come back to this page in the near future with updates. Thanks guys for your help!!

**austinite** · 11-06-2013, 08:13 PM

I don't use Tren , but with deca , I prefer low Test. Easier to manage E2, especially in the presence of progestins.

**Java Man** · 11-06-2013, 08:48 PM

I guess people have their reasons but after running tren a few times I'm done with it. I just got blood tested after being clean for about a month. I ran tren kind of high (750wk) and test higher (1600wk). My HDL is 8. LDL is 240. AST over 180. test alone never did that to me. I don't drink either so that AST value I blame tren for. this happened both times I ran tren.

Not worth it IMO. HDL pre cycle was 51. LDL 160. AST and ALT both under 60. Tren is harsh and the results about the same as clen , test and deca would produce.

That said, some run a maintenance dose of test with tren as said by others since it shuts down your natural production. Just be aware of how detrimental it is to lipids,liver, kidneys, bp and prostate. Be vigilant about blood testing.

Edit: byw I've never had a problem getting it up or keeping it up on any dose of tren, deca, test, dbol , adrol, dht, or whatever I've forgotten in that list. I think people claiming whatevercompound-dick are doing something wrong.

**OnTheSauce** · 11-06-2013, 09:45 PM

That's wild it affected your liver so poorly. I don't get any liver changes from tren . Possibly low purity having metals or something else raising liver values?

**Java Man** · 11-06-2013, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by OnTheSauce

That's wild it affected your liver so poorly. I don't get any liver changes from tren. Possibly low purity having metals or something else raising liver values?

IDK. It was ugl so that's possible. I'm going to be thinking about anything else I may be doing that could cause liver enzymes to elevate. My AST has never been this high. My doctor it's going to shit when he sees this one. Atonement next week.

Unfortunately there aren't any human studies on tren so based on these two runs (same ugl) I am blaming the tren. Could be a coincidence or like you said, impurities.

**austinite** · 11-06-2013, 10:53 PM

Actually, most people report lipids are affected by trenbolone .

**Lunk1** · 11-06-2013, 10:58 PM

Originally Posted by Java Man

IDK. It was ugl so that's possible. I'm going to be thinking about anything else I may be doing that could cause liver enzymes to elevate. My AST has never been this high. My doctor it's going to shit when he sees this one. Atonement next week.

Unfortunately there aren't any human studies on tren so based on these two runs (same ugl) I am blaming the tren. Could be a.coincidence or like you said, impurities.

What else could it be

?

**JohnnnyBlazzze** · 11-06-2013, 11:06 PM

Ive ran Tren higher then Test and had a lot of Tren sides.

I tried again and ran my Test higher then Tren and had zero sides.

Not saying either one is particularly better just adding what i personally experienced.

**Java Man** · 11-06-2013, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

What else could it be

?

Whatever dude. I got some from Pfizer once

lol.

Austinite, I know the elevated cholesterol is due to tren . I know there was some actual trenbolone in it and I do think my former UGL stuff was quality. I used it for a year. My glucose, Bilirubin, Albumin, Protein, PT time, platelets, WBC are all fine, good even. AST at ~200 and AST at ~100 are not that far out of range for someone who has been training as hard as I have this year. That and the fact that all of my other numbers are fine means I'm not worried about liver disease or dysfunction or even short term damage but I am skeptical of the Tren. When I'm training hard and tearing myself down like this I consider 200 a little high but not alarming. I'd be more comfortable if it was below 100.

Only time will tell. I wish there were human trials of tren. Damn the world!!!

**Java Man** · 11-06-2013, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnnyBlazzze

Ive ran Tren higher then Test and had a lot of Tren sides.

I tried again and ran my Test higher then Tren and had zero sides.

Not saying either one is particularly better just adding what i personally experienced.

I did the same thing. My first run was about 300 or 400/wk IDR exactly. Closer to 300 than 4 I think because I was a little scared being old and all.

Anyways I had a lot of sides. The next run was about 750/wk with 1600/wk test and I had less tren sides than when I ran half as much.

Same deal, just saying what my own experience was. I still say I could have gotten the same results from Test/Deca /Clen without taking the lipid fvcking.

I think we probably had the same sh!t too lol. So your tren would have been as pure/impure as mine.

**kelkel** · 11-07-2013, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by armyranger516862006

Ok so i am gonna drop the Test down to 300mg and keep Tren at 500mg. I was afraid at first because Tren being hihger, that it would cause some libido and tren dick problems lol but since it's coming from some trusted Vets i'm good. I will come back to this page in the near future with updates. Thanks guys for your help!!

What's imperative is that you control your estrogen to avoid sides. Have caber on hand or simply run it for added protection.

**Hazard** · 11-07-2013, 10:25 AM

19nors kill hdl.....

**kelkel** · 11-07-2013, 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Hazard

19nors kill hdl.....

Yes. Add in Slo-Niacin, Red Yeast Rice, NAC. Take more micro DHEA.

**Juced_porkchop** · 11-07-2013, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by Hazard

19nors kill hdl.....

deca kept mine fine

**Juced_porkchop** · 11-07-2013, 11:20 AM

OP; I think its personal preference. just have a test base atleast. i rather high test low tren ( 200-300mg ew) but thats just me

**jimmyinkedup** · 11-07-2013, 11:20 AM

When it comes down to it managing estrogeen is truly the key to managing the majority of the adverse sides possible. I say managing, in that keeping it at an optimal level, not too low, not too high. This is more easily achieved at a lower test dose. Run the test low, easier to manage e2, let the tren do thee work. Its a formula that has worked well for me even when throwing low dose deca in the mix which I do all the time.

**bigspin** · 11-08-2013, 05:19 AM

will you run either Prami or Caber ??

**armyranger516862006** · 11-09-2013, 07:07 AM

I will be keeping Prami in case. But if needed this time around i will start at a low dosage to begin. Next cycle will purchase some caber in case.

**armyranger516862006** · 11-09-2013, 07:14 AM

I have now changed it up.

1-12 Test E 300mg
1-12 Tren E 500mg

Also i want to get your opinions on how high and what is a good minimum amount of Tren for one to run? I understand a little Tren goes a long way.

**Lunk1** · 11-09-2013, 07:26 AM

Originally Posted by armyranger516862006

I have now changed it up.

1-12 Test E 300mg
1-12 Tren E 500mg

Also i want to get your opinions on how high and what is a good minimum amount of Tren for one to run? I understand a little Tren goes a long way.

IMO drop the test even more. Like 150mg EW. I know it seems strange when you have never done it but it's plenty, believe me.
I am not sure if I ever will run Tren higher than 500 or so again. I ran a looonnng cycle at 750mg and I didn't see an increase in anything but side effects. If I stay at around 400mg the sides are diminished and the gains are still great!

**armyranger516862006** · 11-09-2013, 07:57 AM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

IMO drop the test even more. Like 150mg EW. I know it seems strange when you have never done it but it's plenty, believe me.
I am not sure if I ever will run Tren higher than 500 or so again. I ran a looonnng cycle at 750mg and I didn't see an increase in anything but side effects. If I stay at around 400mg the sides are diminished and the gains are still great!

Lower ok will do. I will stick with 500mg right now, i am now beginning the 4th week of this cycle and am experiencing great amount of strength increase and for sides just night sweats, which started the first week. Sleep is actually great, which is weird but this is the first time doing the Enanthate version, i also added in Melatonan which helps. Libido is crazy as usual seems to be higher this time around though. In the future i will always run the Test lower for now on. Also what are some good worthy Vitamins Minerals or any supp that would run great alongside Clomid and Nolva during PCT?

**Lunk1** · 11-09-2013, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by armyranger516862006

Lower ok will do. I will stick with 500mg right now, i am now beginning the 4th week of this cycle and am experiencing great amount of strength increase and for sides just night sweats, which started the first week. Sleep is actually great, which is weird but this is the first time doing the Enanthate version, i also added in Melatonan which helps. Libido is crazy as usual seems to be higher this time around though. In the future i will always run the Test lower for now on. Also what are some good worthy Vitamins Minerals or any supp that would run great alongside Clomid and Nolva during PCT?

4 weeks? Your just about to get fired up then. The Melatonan will no doubt assist with the sleep. My insomnia when on Tren comes in cycles. You may have an issue with it yet. Just pick up some OTC sleep aid with diphenhydramine.

As far as the Vit and Mineral question. That would be a great one to direct to Austinite of Kel.

**armyranger516862006** · 11-09-2013, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Actually, most people report lipids are affected by trenbolone.

Aus I am wanting to get your input on addons for a better PCT. Like Vitamins Minerals or any other supp that you recommend? I have the Basic Clomid and Nolva. Thanks!!

**armyranger516862006** · 11-09-2013, 08:26 AM

I feel better than when i was using Tren Ace but then i am now thinking that i had some crap gear before. I have a trusted source now for sure. About to get fired up lol can't wait! Okay i will def look into diphenhydramine and search around. Thanks again Lunk!!