My First cycle on test propionate

**devil-1986** · 11-02-2013, 06:53 AM

hI I am 28 years old 175 cm and 78 kg 15 % or less body fat .
can anybody help me how could I take test prop in my first cycle ?
dosing ? which days of week ? time of day ? pct & etc

thanks

**austinite** · 11-02-2013, 06:59 AM

Hey devil,

It's best that you propose a cycle for critique. We like to see how much research you've done.

**PistolPete33** · 11-02-2013, 07:58 AM

Have you ever pinned yourself before??? If not, keep in mind that Prop will require either daily or every other day injections and Post Injection Pain with Prop can be quite harsh esp on virgin muscle. As Aus mentioned do a ton of research and post what you're thinking for the vets to critique.

**qscgugcsq** · 11-02-2013, 08:05 AM

I did my first with test prop.

Pip are nothing to worry about, yes it hurts, it may reduce you mobility.

I know that when I have pinning quad I lost about 50degree of flexion, and it was painful.
But easely bearable.

If pinning isnt an issue, IMO prop is a great choice.

So yes prop can be used as first cycle if pinning isnt a issue and if you can handle a bit of pain everyday.(also dont pin quad prior squat day...)

the rest you should be able to find it by yourself while reading stickies, austinite have plenty of usefull stickies. take a look at them.

**austinite** · 11-02-2013, 08:07 AM

Interesting. I never really understood the 'pain' issue with prop. I actually prefer to inject the muscle that is being worked that day.

**D2'd** · 11-02-2013, 08:12 AM

I agree, I've always pinned the site I'm going to hit that day.

**Live for the PUMP** · 11-02-2013, 08:39 AM

I would avoid Prop on your first cycle. Your new to pinning and you have virgin muscle to pin. When I first started pinning I would have PIP for about a week and that was with two injections a week. Prop is not for beginners. Start with Test E. After a couple cycles you will be use to pinning and the muscles will accept the oil better, so prop is a good choice down the road but not the 1st cycle bud.

You can thank me later.

**qscgugcsq** · 11-02-2013, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Interesting. I never really understood the 'pain' issue with prop. I actually prefer to inject the muscle that is being worked that day.

Well, my props had high BA concentration. so was pretty painful...

and pinning after training is alright, but I was pinning in the morning.
And the pain was holding me bacj a little.
When I train I want to be 100%.

**devil-1986** · 11-03-2013, 03:48 AM

Thanks alot guys .
I've studied a lot about all steroids on this site . I've read all austinite articles And I have learned a lot about steroids
can I pick test cypionat for my first cycle ? or first cycle should only Included test enan ?
which one is better for me test enan or test cypionat and why ?

**Euroholic** · 11-03-2013, 05:07 AM

Test e and c are practically the same just pick one run 500mg a week And add a ai and hcg500iu a week. Or if your worrierd about the pain from prop you can always cut it.

**devil-1986** · 11-04-2013, 01:04 AM

In my country Iran every body such as professionals body builders or power lifters or fitnesses tells me which that 12 week cycle could be very very harmfull and you cycle must between 4 to 6 weeks . cause my first cycle , and you began with 250 mg of test e or c for week one then reach 500 mg in week 2 to week 6

tell me what do you think ?

**songdog** · 11-04-2013, 01:59 AM

Long esters like Eth or Cyp need to be ran 10 to 12 weeks.This is because it takes 4 to 5 weeks for the long esters to kick in.

**devil-1986** · 11-04-2013, 02:24 AM

Do I need to take the cycle in pyramid began and finished ? cause im newbee ?

**Euroholic** · 11-04-2013, 03:06 AM

^^^^ no just take 500mg a week for 12 weeks of e or c pin twice a week.
Or take prop for 6-8 weeks pin every other day

**devil-1986** · 11-04-2013, 05:14 PM

If Pain from injection of test p is not an issue for me can i use it for my first cycle ?
if only reason to use test e or test c is the pain of test p , I am willing to endure pain of test p what do u think ?

**Euroholic** · 11-04-2013, 06:08 PM

Just pick one and go with it. Cut it with b12 if your worried about pip

**devil-1986** · 11-04-2013, 06:24 PM

and another question about hcg on cycle is i buying hcg in one dose at 5000 iu how can i divide it for 2 dose of 250 iu in one week ?

**Fcastle357** · 11-04-2013, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by devil-1986

If Pain from injection of test p is not an issue for me can i use it for my first cycle ?
if only reason to use test e or test c is the pain of test p , I am willing to endure pain of test p what do u think ?

Personal choice. My first and only cycle I did test c and pinned twice a week. That was enough for me for my first go around. I would have not wanted to pin anymore than that. 12 weeks of beginner pinning was mentally tough. We are all tough guys here but I hate pinning. If you have someone to do it for you it might also make a difference. I chose to do it myself and like I said it was mentally tough.

**devil-1986** · 11-05-2013, 01:54 AM

and another question about hcg on cycle is i buying hcg in one dose at 5000 iu how can i divide it for 2 dose of 250 iu in one week ?

**devil-1986** · 11-05-2013, 02:01 AM

buummpp

**devil-1986** · 11-05-2013, 02:40 AM

bump

**D2'd** · 11-05-2013, 06:34 AM

I reconstitute with 2 ml of bac water, then draw with a slin pin to the 10 unit mark for a dose of 250. If my memory serves me....lol. Might wanna doublecheck the math!

AD · 11-05-2013, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by D2'd

I reconstitute with 2 ml of bac water, then draw with a slin pin to the 10 unit mark for a dose of 250. If my memory serves me....lol. Might wanna doublecheck the math!

Math is good

**devil-1986** · 11-06-2013, 02:15 AM

as austinite say in My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle forum which you : ( never bulk at 16% of body fat and You should be closer to 13% for a decent and manageable bulking cycle )
my body fat is 15% or maybe less than that and for now my question is can i starting my first cycle on this body fat percentage for cuting not bulking on only test propionat for 6-8 week until i am reach the 10% of body fat and for the next cycle go for bulking and star with test e or test c for 10-12 week

Could be a good idea ? tell me your opinion ?

**Capebuffalo** · 11-06-2013, 04:48 AM

If you're determined to run prop:

Prop 500 mg per week. Pinned eod
Armidex .25 eod adjust accordingly
Hcg 500 ius per week split 250 ius twice a week

Pct Novla 40/20/20/20
Clomid 75/50/50/50

Thx AD.

**kronik420** · 11-06-2013, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by Capebuffalo

If you're determined to run prop:

Prop 500 mg per week. Pinned eod
Armidex .25 eod adjust accordingly
Hcg 500 mg per week split 250 mg twice a week

Pct Novla 40/20/20/20
Clomid 75/50/50/50

50$ says he quits by day 5

**Capebuffalo** · 11-06-2013, 05:22 AM

Originally Posted by kronik420

50$ says he quits by day 5

I can't do prop. I rather pin TNE ed.

AD · 11-06-2013, 05:49 AM

Originally Posted by kronik420

50$ says he quits by day 5

have some faith

to make it slightly more bearable, maybe go as low as 100mg eod. pin less, hurt less

**devil-1986** · 11-06-2013, 08:26 AM

thank you my bro you awsome
im going to cut with test prop until i am reach 10% of body fat then in next cycle swich to bulking

tell me my upper plan which i said is good or not ?

tanks to austinite , AD, kronik420 , D2'd , Fcastle357, songdog, qscgugcsq, Live for the PUMP and special & big thanks to Capebuffalo .

**Live for the PUMP** · 11-06-2013, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by devil-1986

thank you my bro you awsome
im going to cut with test prop until i am reach 10% of body fat then in next cycle swich to bulking

tell me my upper plan which i said is good or not ?

tanks to austinite , AD, kronik420 , D2'd , Fcastle357, songdog, qscgugcsq, Live for the PUMP and special & big thanks to Capebuffalo .

GL cutting during the holidays. I don't know how some of you guys do that.

**trigger happy** · 11-06-2013, 03:51 PM

On the pinning side of things i am 4-5 weeks into my first cycle and hated needles. Not sure why but i actually like pinning myself now. Going to head the prop way next time to fill my urges..

**Psaletta** · 11-06-2013, 08:45 PM

What's the deal with prop. I've used e/c on my first cycle and have ran prop every one after that with no pain. Only time I've gotten pain was from sust. Now that shit hurts. Never again!!!!

**devil-1986** · 11-07-2013, 12:53 AM

which days was a better days to inject ? i know inject eod but dont know which and What time of day best for injecting morning or evening ? What time Exactly ? i mean 7,8,9, etc am or 2,3,4,5 , ect pm ?
i hear morning injection is better because if you inject evening can causing more blood Pressure
please tell me fully and complete about this

AD · 11-07-2013, 02:00 AM

time of the day does not matter. pick any time, but stick to it for every pin.

which day of the wk to start? again, doesn't matter. this wk may be mon, wed, fri, sun. which makes next wk tue, thurs, sat. so just pin every other day.

**devil-1986** · 11-07-2013, 02:14 AM

thanks bro and thanks to every body which helped me

**devil-1986** · 11-08-2013, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by D2'd

I reconstitute with 2 ml of bac water, then draw with a slin pin to the 10 unit mark for a dose of 250. If my memory serves me....lol. Might wanna doublecheck the math!

what is bac water ?

**devil-1986** · 11-09-2013, 02:27 AM

can i pining only in my glutes ?

**Psaletta** · 11-09-2013, 06:47 AM

Bac water- is sterilized water, you can get it on line amazon has it. And you want to change up your injection sites. If you pin one area you will build up scar tissue. Pin delts glute quads

**Psaletta** · 11-09-2013, 06:48 AM

Also search austinite thread on HCG . It is broken down into detail for you.

**PistolPete33** · 11-09-2013, 07:03 AM

When I ran Prop I always pinned in the morning just after a hot shower. The shower will slightly loosen your skin and muscles making the injection a tad easier. I still follow the post-shower injection protocol for every injection and I'm on TRT so I pin all the time. Good luck with this cycle and yes you want to rotate injection sites. When I ran Prop I did Right Glute, Left Glute, Right quad, left quad and seemed to work for me.