deca dosage

[chester101]

Another quickie, my buddy started his sus and deca cycle sunday.... it was/is 250sus/200deca twice a week cycle.... I tried to make him stick to test only but managed to 'scare' him slightly! Would the 500mg test a week plus 200 deca be ok? If so could he jab the deca once a week and obviously the sus 2x. Please dont ask me his stats, pct ect coz I aint his momma (although it is questionable at times) and I'm trying to help guide an idiot! (Love him really). Cheers!

[austinite]

Well, anyone giving advice in this thread without stats would be doing you and your friend a disservice. Really, if random advice is ok with you, just use the search function, Chester. There's literally well over 10,000 threads with respect to test/deca cycles. Otherwise, please get his detailed stats so that the advice is tailored to him, and not random. Better yet, have him join us.

[chester101]

I have tried to get him to join.... he'd get flamed!! And take it worse than I did
I'm learning from you guys and trying to pass a little bit of knowledge on... a middle man if you will!

[austinite]

I understand. Wish I could help ya. Maybe others will chime in and help you out.

[chester101]

I get where you coming from.... dont fully understand reasoning sometimes. .. but respect your views! Thankyou.

[austinite]

I get where you coming from.... dont fully understand reasoning sometimes. .. but respect your views! Thankyou.

Can you tell me what exactly what you don't understand about my reasoning? It's vital that you actually understand.

Different stats will result in different advice. We are not all made equal.

[chester101]

I'm at work at mo, but I'll reply properly in about 3hrs..... its not just your reasoning buddy... the general sensus! Spk soon.

[chester101]

I dont understand how some questions are not answered..... when a youngster comes on asking advice, for instance, he his not advised, I fully get the biological reasons for no younger than 25, but if a guy has took the time to join site, and come asking its obvious that their mind is made up to take aas, so surely to advise against is number 1 priority, but to turn them away is surely more dangerous to their health. I'm guessing this question has been asked/answered thousands if times. Cheers!

[redz]

By giving out advice blindly we would just be encouraging them. They give us a bad name.

[flyguy6661]

200mg of deca a week will yield virtually nothing in the way of muscle mass, however 200mg a week is a good dosage for people using deca to help with joint's. if its his first cycle stick with test at 500mg a week, if its his second then i dont see any harm in doing 500mg test with 400mg deca a week, infact that is a very common second cycle choise.

[Back In Black]

Or, you will always get some cock who doesn't give a shit about his own health or anybody elses^^^^^^

[flyguy6661]

hardly some cock, if you guys wont answer a simple question (the whole point of the forum) then others will, this board is for sharing knollage not ignoring questions

[Back In Black]

hardly some cock, if you guys wont answer a simple question (the whole point of the forum) then others will, this board is for sharing knollage not ignoring questions

We care about the health of our members. There are plenty of other boards out there who don't. (Hint, hint)

[chester101]

Or, you will always get some cock who doesn't give a shit about his own health or anybody elses^^^^^^

I assume you mean a 'cock' as in the one answering the question...

[chester101]

200mg of deca a week will yield virtually nothing in the way of muscle mass, however 200mg a week is a good dosage for people using deca to help with joint's. if its his first cycle stick with test at 500mg a week, if its his second then i dont see any harm in doing 500mg test with 400mg deca a week, infact that is a very common second cycle choise.

Cheers buddy!

[Back In Black]

I assume you mean a 'cock' as in the one answering the question...

Yep. Giving a blanket answer is ridiculous. He doesn't know that your friend might be 18 years old. He might be 6ft tall and weigh 130lbs. He may have started training only last week. Yet flyguy is giving a recommendation for somebody he knows absolutely nothing about.

Take his answer and pass it on if you like but on your head be it.

[chester101]

I get where you coming from b-i-b, but to be honest the general dosage for some one in right brackets on here (for 1st cycle for example) is 500mg test wether they be 5'2 or 6'8.....

[Sfla80]

I get where you coming from b-i-b, but to be honest the general dosage for some one in right brackets on here (for 1st cycle for example) is 500mg test wether they be 5'2 or 6'8.....

Hieght wasnt the issue there....he said 6' at 130#. Meaning he doesnt know how to eat or train. For example

[Lunk1]

Your comments about not wanting to provide his stats and him not wanting to sign up for fear of getting flamed tell me enough. You know it as well!

[chester101]

Hieght wasnt the issue there....he said 6' at 130#. Meaning he doesnt know how to eat or train. For example

Yeah I got that after I posted.... my bad!

[MuscleInk]

hardly some cock, if you guys wont answer a simple question (the whole point of the forum) then others will, this board is for sharing knollage not ignoring questions

Exactly right. The forum is for education and the discussion of SAFE cycling of anabolic (and other related) compounds.

This issue of helping younger guys cycle correctly comes up frequently. It is a discussion that has been beaten to death. Just because a young guy becomes a member and decides he is going to use steroids does NOT obligate us to direct him to do so. If the opinion of some members is that using steroids is NOT in that member's best interest (due to current health, body weight, age, nutritional deficiencies, training experience, etc.) then we will advise as such - and perhaps keeping someone safe is our moral obligation.

Not everyone will agree. Some members here do feel that it is better to help regardless of age or other aforementioned factors and will provide some direction. That is not my personal position, however, I do not criticize or condemn those who offer advice even though I would disagree. Nor do I condone the criticism of those who abstain from advising a member when he/she is not ready to cycle.

This whole sense of entitlement, that is, "I'm going to use steroids no matter what so you all should help me do it", is a bunch of immature crap! Just because you (your buddy, his friend, a friend of a friend of a friend, or your third cousin twice removed - who really cares) has decided to do something foolish, doesn't mean we must acquiesce to your request. It may not be what you want to hear, but wake up, life is full of disappointments and you won't always get what you want.

As Austinite indicated, each person is unique. It would be reckless and inconsiderate if we haphazardly provided advice to every joe-schmoe who came here seeking advice. If that's what you want, there are plenty of substandard forums you can join elsewhere and be told whatever your ego needs to hear.

This board and the majority of its reputable members prides itself on taking care of our own. Educating those who seek education and providing safe prescriptions and behaviors for healthy cycling are the guiding principals. We aren't about to change those practices simply because a few people insist we help when we believe otherwise.

[redz]

If you know he shouldn't be using why would we want to help him miss-use steroids ?

[chester101]

Your comments about not wanting to provide his stats and him not wanting to sign up for fear of getting flamed tell me enough. You know it as well!

Then you have no belief in me at all lunk! Tbh.... its the blind leading the blind... but I'm trying to see!
I did my damndest to get him on test only but he's lead also by guys at gym... which I assume most of the older juicers were... sus and dec all the way for them! I was trying to help a buddy without too much inconvenience to myself! I guess hes 5'11 and about 13-14 stone.... trains regular eats well??

[3day]

Could it be Chester that the true answer to these questions is that your friend should not be doing his first cycle yet. If you are that close to him surely you know his age-height-weight-guess of bf%- years training?

[chester101]

Muscleink...... wtf?? Not once have I said you HAVE to assist anybody... it was a general question.... we have clinics to help heroin users inject safely and cleanly.... but the staff dont necessarily agree with usage.... we all think differently. I was generalising. As for my cousins next door neighbour using... I, unlike some, am not god, I can not determine wether they should use aas or not..... he is a fit lad who is going to be misled.... I am doing my best to push him down a safer path... I dont have the knowledge to tell him the ill effects so I try to be an inbetweener between you guys and him.... if you see what I'm doing as wrong then I'll leave him be and let him suffer consequences and we can all have a good laugh at him yeah??

[chester101]

Could it be Chester that the true answer to these questions is that your friend should not be doing his first cycle yet. If you are that close to him surely you know his age-height-weight-guess of bf%- years training?

Ive stated before its not his first cycle.....

[chester101]

Ive stated before its not his first cycle.....

And all his stats?? Do you know all your buddys b/f??? Get a grip before jumping on bandwagon.... let the vets/mods reply thanks!!

[Back In Black]

Muscleink...... wtf?? Not once have I said you HAVE to assist anybody... it was a general question.... we have clinics to help heroin users inject safely and cleanly.... but the staff dont necessarily agree with usage.... we all think differently. I was generalising. As for my cousins next door neighbour using... I, unlike some, am not god, I can not determine wether they should use aas or not..... he is a fit lad who is going to be misled.... I am doing my best to push him down a safer path... I dont have the knowledge to tell him the ill effects so I try to be an inbetweener between you guys and him.... if you see what I'm doing as wrong then I'll leave him be and let him suffer consequences and we can all have a good laugh at him yeah??

I assumed he was replying to flyguy as that who he quoted. Of corse I could be wrong. Maybe you should check before you kick off and we can return to a calm discussion.

[Lunk1]

This is going exactly where I expected it to go...down hill.

The answer is this. The dose of Deca he is using is essentially therapeutic and will not have a lot of effect in terms of tissue growth however because it is a 19 nor compound it still would be important to pay extra attention to the ancillaries. If you want to help and he refuses to re-think. Then make sure he cycles the safest way possible and has everything in place. This would include blood work.

[MuscleInk]

Muscleink...... wtf?? Not once have I said you HAVE to assist anybody... it was a general question.... we have clinics to help heroin users inject safely and cleanly.... but the staff dont necessarily agree with usage.... we all think differently. I was generalising. As for my cousins next door neighbour using... I, unlike some, am not god, I can not determine wether they should use aas or not..... he is a fit lad who is going to be misled.... I am doing my best to push him down a safer path... I dont have the knowledge to tell him the ill effects so I try to be an inbetweener between you guys and him.... if you see what I'm doing as wrong then I'll leave him be and let him suffer consequences and we can all have a good laugh at him yeah??

Chester, the response was directed at flyguy, although it is a general response in someways.

Trying to help a heroin addict inject a highly addictive compound that can have serious withdrawal effects if not managed through methadone or other withdrawal measures isn't exactly comparable, but I appreciate the analogy. I have at least two or three people that come to my clinics weekly insisting they need class 3 narcotics/opiates for pain management. It would not only be immoral but professional suicide if I obliged every individual and their drug seeking tendencies simply because they insisted they needed that degree of medical intervention. When clinical need dictates, I provide the care necessary but I certainly don't write a script for every person who feels the need for strong pain management.

Again, the comment was a general opinion I hold not a direct attack at you, but the argument that I frequently see (i.e. "I'm going to anyway so you should help me do it safely") is not always a logical or rational argument - especially when the safest course may be to defer usage until more appropriate conditions are met.

[flyguy6661]

if your 14 year old brother wanted to ask advice about having safe sex would ignore him as he would be under the age of concent ? NO, you would give good advice !! if people ask a simple question give them a reply even if it is someone who is under the reccomended age, why waste your time in telling them you cant help ? just dont comment.

[3day]

Ive stated before its not his first cycle.....

If its not his first cycle why are you advising him test only. Heck why are you advising at all? And yes I can tell you within 4 or 5 % of what my buds bf% is. But hey I guess I will leave it to the vets now seeing as everyone of them have asked you to post his stats.

[MuscleInk]

This is going exactly where I expected it to go...down hill.

The answer is this. The dose of Deca he is using is essentially therapeutic and will not have a lot of effect in terms of tissue growth however because it is a 19 nor compound it still would be important to pay extra attention to the ancillaries. If you want to help and he refuses to re-think. Then make sure he cycles the safest way possible and has everything in place. This would include blood work.

Lol.....now who's "complimentary"?????

[flyguy6661]

back in black you insult me for giving good advice however its comments like yours that lead to a wasted thread. comment good usefull & helpfull advice or dont comment at all !

[chester101]

If its not his first cycle why are you advising him test only. Heck why are you advising at all? And yes I can tell you within 4 or 5 % of what my buds bf% is. But hey I guess I will leave it to the vets now seeing as everyone of them have asked you to post his stats.

You my friend are in same bracket as me on here..... zero! So you can guess between 4-5%bf?? So your 'buddy' is between 14-19% bf do you advise him to cycle??
My buddy is a follower... I dont want to see him come to harm.... test only for 3rd cycle (over 10yrs) is wrong?? As I said let the big boys play with me!

[chester101]

Muscleink.... I do apologise... I did take it as a personal attack.... sorry buddy.
My view is.... if my boy csme to me wanting aas at age say 20, id rather assist him than know he's gonna go do it elsewhere if you get my drift!

[chester101]

if your 14 year old brother wanted to ask advice about having safe sex would ignore him as he would be under the age of concent ? NO, you would give good advice !! if people ask a simple question give them a reply even if it is someone who is under the reccomended age, why waste your time in telling them you cant help ? just dont comment.

We thinking down same route....

[Lunk1]

Muscleink.... I do apologise... I did take it as a personal attack.... sorry buddy.
My view is.... if my boy csme to me wanting aas at age say 20, id rather assist him than know he's gonna go do it elsewhere if you get my drift!

So if your "boy" came to you wanting advice on the best way to commit suicide would you rather assist him than know he is going to go elsewhere...if you get my drift?

[MuscleInk]

Muscleink.... I do apologise... I did take it as a personal attack.... sorry buddy.
My view is.... if my boy csme to me wanting aas at age say 20, id rather assist him than know he's gonna go do it elsewhere if you get my drift!

Gotcha. Good that you're looking out for him! No offense taken.

[chester101]

So if your "boy" came to you wanting advice on the best way to commit suicide would you rather assist him than know he is going to go elsewhere...if you get my drift?

Bravo..... lol.
Then my friend it would be murder, not suicide.
But your correct buddy..... I'd just tell him not to do it... pros and cons ect... because all through our lives we have all taken the right advice and followed the right path... ya get me yeah!