Favorite treatment for BP

[dixieflatline]

Do you supplement with anything for steroid -induced elevated blood pressure? Someone told me celery seed extract once. What do you guys like? I'm talking for reasonable increases. Obviously a doctor should be sen or steroids discontinued if it is dangerously high.

[MuscleInk]

Beyond Rx:

- Red rice yeast
- Hawthorne berry extract
- NAC
- Cholestoff Plus (for hypercholesterolemia)
- citrulline
- arginine

[dixieflatline]

Nice. Do you take all of them at one time? I actually just bought some NAC today to add to my milk thistle regimen for liver health. Didn't know it would help with the blood pressure.

[MuscleInk]

Nice. Do you take all of them at one time? I actually just bought some NAC today to add to my milk thistle regimen for liver health. Didn't know it would help with the blood pressure.

There are a number of benefits touted for NAC - some substantiated, some only anecdotal.

Among popularized benefits, these include

- antioxidant benefits
- hepatic health
- increased immunity
- glucose regulation
- reduced incidence of cancer (likely through reduction of oxidative damage to mitochondrial pathways and shunting of pro-inflammatory kinases)
- reduction of pro-inflammatory cytokines
- inhibits h-pylori growth in GI tract
- may protect against influenza infections
- may assist in dilation of blood vessels (thereby reducing HTN) and improved blood circulation
- a few preliminary studies suggest it may offer benefits to HIV patients

Like most things, too much can be harmful. Doses as high as 7g (or more) can increase homocysteine levels resulting in cellular death ad increased risks for cardiac disease.

I take my supps in the AM.

[dixieflatline]

So take around 6.9g? Jk, thank you. Seems like a good purchase. Hopefully it will help with some of the dianabol sides.

[MuscleInk]

So take around 6.9g? Jk, thank you. Seems like a good purchase. Hopefully it will help with some of the dianabol sides.

Was yours the post on dbol nosebleeds? Other
symptoms? Headaches? Fatigue? Dizziness?

Monitor BP often. Avoid aspirin or blood thinner unless prescribed by MD for therapeutic need.

Could be other causes as well (pramipexole can cause frequent nose bleeds in some users). If nose bleeds persist, have a CBC and CMP done to examine hematocrit and related phlebotomy parameters.

[Ashop]

Do you supplement with anything for steroid-induced elevated blood pressure? Someone told me celery seed extract once. What do you guys like? I'm talking for reasonable increases. Obviously a doctor should be sen or steroids discontinued if it is dangerously high.

Definitely see a doctor if the numbers remain high.
Things you can do,,,watch diet,,,keep it tight,,watch sodium,,drink plenty
of water daily to help your body keep from retaining extra water weight.

[AD]

just to be sure, what is your current bp? how high are we talking about?

[Red Bastard]

Where does one find NAC? Is it an OTC product?

[austinite]

^ Everything Muscle ink mentioned is OTC

[MuscleInk]

^ Everything Muscle ink mentioned is OTC

Correct and as others have suggested in this thread, if your systolic is 140 or greater, Rx meds for HTN should be sought.

[austinite]

I use 20mg Benicar daily. Otherwise I use the following from MI's list..

- Red rice yeast
- NAC
- citrulline
- arginine

[MuscleInk]

I use 20mg Benicar daily. Otherwise I use the following from MI's list..

- Red rice yeast
- NAC
- citrulline
- arginine

I was at 10mg bystolic. The OTC products mentioned have me at 5mg. Hopefully I'll be off the beta blocker completely next year.

[AD]

I was at 10mg bystolic. The OTC products mentioned have me at 5mg. Hopefully I'll be off the beta blocker completely next year.

MI, do you feel the beta blocker affects your athletic performance and endurance at all, due to the lower heart rate?

[Bonaparte]

MI, do you feel the beta blocker affects your athletic performance and endurance at all, due to the lower heart rate?

I actually just stopped taking bisoprolol about a month ago. Come to think of it, I would sometimes become acutely fatigued and lightheaded if I tried to push myself too hard.

[spiralkut]

i went from 155 to 120 in 4 weeks or so by changing my diet.

[AD]

I actually just stopped taking bisoprolol about a month ago. Come to think of it, I would sometimes become acutely fatigued and lightheaded if I tried to push myself too hard.

That's what I thought might happen. I don't really want to ask, but I heard it might affect other types of performance too.

[Bonaparte]

That's what I thought might happen. I don't really want to ask, but I heard it might affect other types of performance too.

No problems there
But bisoprolol is very cardioselective and doesn't cross the BBB much. I'd suspect that non-selective, lipophilic beta blockers would cause more libido/ed issues.

[AD]

No problems there

Good to know lol

[FONZY007]

That's what I thought might happen. I don't really want to ask, but I heard it might affect other types of performance too.

I used the same for 2 months and It didn't affect my performance in the sheets!!

[Far from massive]

Hey just wanted to mention, for any new readers seeing this thread.

Giving blood is a very popular way to decrease blood pressure due to increased RBC's resulting from AAS usage.

[MuscleInk]

I actually just stopped taking bisoprolol about a month ago. Come to think of it, I would sometimes become acutely fatigued and lightheaded if I tried to push myself too hard.

^^^yes, this is pretty common.

[MuscleInk]

MI, do you feel the beta blocker affects your athletic performance and endurance at all, due to the lower heart rate?

Much less than when I was @ 10mg. The higher dose made me a lot more lethargic. Dropping it to 5mg has been better but I'd like to be off any anti-HTN med.

[austinite]

Much less than when I was @ 10mg. The higher dose made me a lot more lethargic. Dropping it to 5mg has been better but I'd like to be off any anti-HTN med.

I love having you around

[MuscleInk]

I love having you around

Love having you around too!!! lol

[MajorPectorial]

Much less than when I was @ 10mg. The higher dose made me a lot more lethargic. Dropping it to 5mg has been better but I'd like to be off any anti-HTN med.

What betas u on bro?. I'm on flecainide +atenolol. Take two at night. But break up a flecainide half hour before gym. Especially on leg day. I mean. I always time a minute between each set but shit. When hitting a new higher RM I sometimes need to add another 30secs to slow my heart rate down or risk svt. So far worked a treat. But my point being I know it works by neutralising you natty ephidrine (or type thereof) and this in turn slows your heart. Does it really effect your cardio ability? I seemed fine before adding tren to my blasts on cycle so put it down to that. Didn't realise it had an effect on your cardio stamina so to speak.

[MuscleInk]

What betas u on bro?. I'm on flecainide +atenolol. Take two at night. But break up a flecainide half hour before gym. Especially on leg day. I mean. I always time a minute between each set but shit. When hitting a new higher RM I sometimes need to add another 30secs to slow my heart rate down or risk svt. So far worked a treat. But my point being I know it works by neutralising you natty ephidrine (or type thereof) and this in turn slows your heart. Does it really effect your cardio ability? I seemed fine before adding tren to my blasts on cycle so put it down to that. Didn't realise it had an effect on your cardio stamina so to speak.

The cardiovascular and respiratory effects with respect to stamina, are more common among B1 adrenergic antagonists, but it generally linked to doses (high doses compromise respiration and stamina more) and to some extent, age and other medical factors.

I'm using 5mg Bystolic, down from 10mg. The other compounds are OTC as mentioned in this thread.

[kelkel]

I love having you around

Love having you around too!!! lol

Get a room and get it over with please.

[austinite]

Get a room and get it over with please.

Don't be hatin' ...

[kelkel]

Don't be hatin' ...

Just jealous!

[austinite]

Just jealous!

Well, maybe you should let me join the vascularity club. I've been standing outside forever now. Getting cold...

[MuscleInk]

Get a room and get it over with please.

You mad brah??? Lmao

[kelkel]

Well, maybe you should let me join the vascularity club. I've been standing outside forever now. Getting cold...

Veins go for cover in the cold. There's the problem.

You mad brah??? Lmao

Yes. I hate "brah."

[Black]

What BP monitors do some of you guys use? Some of the ones I've come across are so far off and inconsistent it's pointless to even use them.

I have the best consistency with the ones at the public pharmacy.

[austinite]

What BP monitors do some of you guys use? Some of the ones I've come across are so far off and inconsistent it's pointless to even use them.

I have the best consistency with the ones at the public pharmacy.

Omron.

[MuscleInk]

What BP monitors do some of you guys use? Some of the ones I've come across are so far off and inconsistent it's pointless to even use them.

I have the best consistency with the ones at the public pharmacy.

I use my analogue sphygmomanometer and my stethoscope. I don't use digital monitors.

I've mentioned on several threads, the axillary cuffs are more accurate than wrist cuffs. The closer to the brachial artery you take your measurement, the more reliable the measure.

[Black]

Omron.

I've heard the most good things about this brand.

[Black]

I use my analogue sphygmomanometer and my stethoscope. I don't use digital monitors.

I've mentioned on several threads, the axillary cuffs are more accurate than wrist cuffs. The closer to the brachial artery you take your measurement, the more reliable the measure.

This is true, even in my experience. I bought a wrist cuff awhile ago and it was WAY off. Based on that, I should've been in the hospital. I tested 10 minutes later at a docs office and it was 110/70.

[MuscleInk]

This is true, even in my experience. I bought a wrist cuff awhile ago and it was WAY off. Based on that, I should've been in the hospital. I tested 10 minutes later at a docs office and it was 110/70.

Classic example. A lot of people like the digital wrist cuffs. Even when calibrated, the measurements drift away from calibrated norms faster than axillary cuffs or traditional analogue devices.

[Bonaparte]

I use my analogue sphygmomanometer and my stethoscope. I don't use digital monitors.

I've mentioned on several threads, the axillary cuffs are more accurate than wrist cuffs. The closer to the brachial artery you take your measurement, the more reliable the measure.

Do you have someone help you take a manual pressure? I've tried, and found that I was missing a hand...lol