First cycle

[Sh0tGun Harvey]

As stated in the title i'm still throwing the idea around. Not knowing all that I should, i went ahead and bought a bottle of Var-10, and a bottle of Winn-50. From what i've read on this forum and others is there really isn't a need for PCT on Var alone? Also found there are mixed feelings about only using Var alone, as being really awesome to being a complete failed wasted of time. So that's where the Winn-50 comes into play, i figured that wouldn't be such a bad stack. Not realizing that after cycling winn, i would need PCT of a certain kind (IE: clomid and nolv). So this has me worried since i don't really know where or how to acquire these products.

Side note: I've read that while taking var, test is in almost every case needed. I'm currently taking the test product from the "Charger" line from Complete Nutrition, would this be sufficient while using var?

I know this type of thread has been posted a billion times, but feedback would be greatly appreciated.

[Phoenix18]

First off welcome to the forum.

Secondly, everyone will want to know your stats. Age, height, weight, body fat % and lifting experience.

Third you should check out the stickies on "first cycle" and many of the other popular posts. There is an abundance of knowledge floating around on this site. Start off with some intensive research.

[ghettoboyd]

As stated in the title i'm still throwing the idea around. Not knowing all that I should, i went ahead and bought a bottle of Var-10, and a bottle of Winn-50. From what i've read on this forum and others is there really isn't a need for PCT on Var alone? Also found there are mixed feelings about only using Var alone, as being really awesome to being a complete failed wasted of time. So that's where the Winn-50 comes into play, i figured that wouldn't be such a bad stack. Not realizing that after cycling winn, i would need PCT of a certain kind (IE: clomid and nolv). So this has me worried since i don't really know where or how to acquire these products.

Side note: I've read that while taking var, test is in almost every case needed. I'm currently taking the test product from the "Charger" line from Complete Nutrition, would this be sufficient while using var?

I know this type of thread has been posted a billion times, but feedback would be greatly appreciated.

well to put it out there, what you bought are not steroids and even the simplest of searches here would have shown you what you where bying are just supplements....I know you where exited to jump into the pool head first but with just the simplest of reasurch i.e. reading the sticky in each forum you could have a better understanding of what real aas is and what they can do, the good and BAD...there is a lot to learn and this is a great place to do it but we don't spoonfeed people who are clearly not ready...that said welcome and good luck...

[Sh0tGun Harvey]

Thanks for the welcomes!

Age: 29
Height: 6'4"
Weight: fat... well compared to you guys, but 234
BF%: not sure, but too much
experience: on and off since high school, religiously for almost a year now

Boyd: If these are just supps, then PCT wouldn't be required? Also i have done some reading, but it doesn't help me since you guys are speaking chinese most of the time lol. So what i could pick apart from the cluttered mess you guys understand as english, is that i would need PCT after cycling these two "supplements."

Thanks for the replies!

[Back In Black]

No, you won't need a pct. You have herbal supplements that should help with a good training and nutrition plan.

Can I suggest you visit our nutrition forum and get some advice there about cutting down your 'too much' bodyfat levels.

[Sh0tGun Harvey]

Yes I plan on visiting the nutrition part of the forums when I have more time this weekend.

Any certain kind of herbals to help with post cycle with the var and winn?

If it helps i'm also taking: Build HD, Pump HD and A-HD from the BPI product line, drop factor and yohimbe (fat burners... hopefully), with of course protein.

[Back In Black]

Yes I plan on visiting the nutrition part of the forums when I have more time this weekend.

Any certain kind of herbals to help with post cycle with the var and winn?

If it helps i'm also taking: Build HD, Pump HD and A-HD from the BPI product line, drop factor and yohimbe (fat burners... hopefully), with of course protein.

Your var and win are herbals. You don't need a pct.

I don't really know what your other supplements are but I'll wager your money is better in your bank account than the manufacturers.

[Sh0tGun Harvey]

Not sayin they actually work or not, but i would assume that's why i'm here lol.

Should i start takin lower amounts of to assess reaction, or take the recommended dose of each?

Thanks!