Cycle with doctor's support

**chuans0n** · 11-28-2013, 03:16 PM

hi everyone...

I'm well aware of the beginner's cycle but have some trouble getting the amount of gear from the doctor that is describing me Testosterone Depot...

In my first blood 3 months ago check my blood test was done at 7:30 a.m. and my testosterone values where average at around 19 nmol/l total and 358 pmol/l (sorry dont remember the free testosterone). I had iron deficiency and got iron tabs which didnt work at all. Now in my latest check 1 week ago which was done by another doctor I got the same bad iron values (got iron infusion now) and my total testosterone came back with 11 nmol/l but the blod tests were done at around 11:30 a.m so around lunch time (which is unusual as the testosterone values are dropping during the day and are highest in the morning)..

So basically he's willing to prescribe me some Testosterone Depot. He wanted me to take every two weeks but I already told him that I would like to do my first cycle and want to take it e7d. I'm pretty sure that he won't give me 500mg per week (didnt discuss this out yet as we first want to stabilize the iron values)

My question is..do I have to take the same amount of Arimidex ..hcg and novaldex/chlomid as with 500mg (as described in the beginners cycle)?

**austinite** · 11-28-2013, 03:20 PM

lol. What?

**Lunk1** · 11-28-2013, 03:21 PM

Your doctor is notgoing to prescribe you a steroid cycle. Not if he values his paycheck. Your test levels are highest in the morning naturally! You would pin every 3.5 days on cycle. Not E7d. You need to go back the books and research before embarking on this journey.

**MuscleInk** · 11-28-2013, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Your doctor is notgoing to prescribe you a steroid cycle. Not if he values his paycheck. Your test levels are highest in the morning naturally! You would pin every 3.5 days on cycle. Not E7d. You need to go back the books and research before embarking on this journey.

^^^^This!!! If you live in North America, it would be unethical and illegal medically for a doctor to treat you with 500mg per week. The acceptable prescribed doses range from 100-200 per week to a maximum of 300 every two weeks.

**chuans0n** · 11-28-2013, 04:03 PM

Ok...I have to put more information to mx text ;-)

No, I'm not living in North America...I'm living in Europe...in the country where I live the usage of s.t.e.r.o.i.d.s are legal but selling is not. He's someone having an easy relation to s.t.e.r.o.i.d.s (he used it himself when he was powerlifting). I told him that I want to do the cycle anyway and he told me before the test that if my levels are on the lower range he might prescribe me test...due to the fact that the blood tests where done around lunch time it's probably normal that they came on the lower range...

**MuscleInk** · 11-28-2013, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by chuans0n

Ok...I have to put more information to mx text ;-)

No, I'm not living in North America...I'm living in Europe...in the country where I live the usage of s.t.e.r.o.i.d.s are legal but selling is not. He's someone having an easy relation to s.t.e.r.o.i.d.s (he used it himself when he was powerlifting). I told him that I want to do the cycle anyway and he told me before the test that if my levels are on the lower range he might prescribe me test...due to the fact that the blood tests where done around lunch time it's probably normal that they came on the lower range...

Ok, that's helpful to know, but if he values his medical license, he should really only be prescribing doses that would bring you to the high end of normal, not beyond. Treating you with supra physiological levels can create other potential health risks (hypertension, hypercholesterolemia, hyperlipidemia, decreased hemoglobin, changes to RBC integrity) that did not exist before. Even if he was a past user and appreciates the risks, as your physician he should be putting your health and well being above all else.

Keep us informed on his treatment plan. I'm curious to hear what he prescribes for you.

**chuans0n** · 11-30-2013, 03:42 PM

Yeah now....lets forget where the test is coming from. if I do a cycle for 12 weeks...do I still need to take the same amount of arimidex , hcg , nolva/chlomid as with 500mg?

**MuscleInk** · 11-30-2013, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by chuans0n

Yeah now....lets forget where the test is coming from. if I do a cycle for 12 weeks...do I still need to take the same amount of arimidex, hcg, nolva/chlomid as with 500mg?

If you're doing this under MD supervision then he should be prescribing the AI. If you are using less than 500mg of testosterone per week, you may need less for an AI. The typical dose for an AI when test is 500mg or more is .25mg EOD for adex or 12.5mg ED for Aromasin . PCT will depend on whether or not you are returning to TRT off cycle.