Lay it out fellas

[clarkey02]

So my second cycle wraps up next week, it was as follows;

1-16. Test Prop 400 mg/week
1-16. Eq (I know) 600 mg/week
1-8. Winny 60 mg per day oral

I took 81 mg aspirin every day throughout, as well as n2guard from needtobuildmuscle.com

Was wondering if someone could please lay out a. Solid PCT for me as everything I read on PCT is so conflicting.

Thanks fellas!!

[pitweiler]

You should have had everything before you've started. I'm not sure the dosage you should take for PCT but I'm sure someone will chime in

[ScotchGuard02]

Clomid & Nolvadex for 4 weeks 100/50/50/50 (Clomid) 40/20/20/20 (Nolvadex)

[clarkey02]

Thanks Scotchguard. How long after my last test/eq pin should I start?

[clarkey02]

You should have had everything before you've started. I'm not sure the dosage you should take for PCT but I'm sure someone will chime in

That's very helpful thanks. Just FYI I have all the PCT stuff, I just don't know the dosages. I will be sure to specify that I'm looking for knowledgable input next time I post.

[mikey hulk]

Being rude wont get you far here

[MuscleInk]

That's very helpful thanks. Just FYI I have all the PCT stuff, I just don't know the dosages. I will be sure to specify that I'm looking for knowledgable input next time I post.

With that attitude, why bother posting? We offer this advice voluntarily. We'd gladly spend our time on other people who ask respectfully and genuinely want assistance. That snotty attitude won't get you very far here or elsewhere.

[clarkey02]

You're right. I'm sorry, long stressful day.

[MuscleInk]

You're right. I'm sorry, long stressful day.

We all have them brother. Water under the bridge.

[Jim3432]

You need to post more information, your stats. Last cycle, have you had blood work since then etc. Most pct's are generally the same but it would be a little helpful.
General PCT.
Week 1: 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva ED
Week 2: 50mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva ED
Week 3: 50mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva ED
Week 4: 50mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva ED

[Jim3432]

^ some people do slight variations such as 1st and second week of Nolva 40mg ED and some people run more Clomid.

[clarkey02]

You need to post more information, your stats. Last cycle, have you had blood work since then etc. Most pct's are generally the same but it would be a little helpful. General PCT. Week 1: 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva ED Week 2: 50mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva ED Week 3: 50mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva ED Week 4: 50mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva ED

Thanks Jim, I'm 36 years old. 6' 230 lbs. 11.4% bf. My first cycle was a test only cycle (prop) for 12 weeks at 300 mg a week just to see how I would handle it and get my pinning down. I've never had blood work done, probably would be advisable to do so.

[Jim3432]

No Problem, impressive stats. I am not very experienced so take my advice if you want but as any advice get many opinions but, I know the basics and have researched for around 3 years now. IMO I would run the PCT I posted above. But that being said I would get blood work 4 weeks after PCT is over and see how everything looks, this will tell you how you recovered. Since you don't have blood work from before you wont know what your test was, but you can kind of guess lets say range for your age is 230-800 and your sitting at 350 or higher 4 weeks after you should be good to go (very rough way of looking at it). Then get blood work again 10-14 weeks or so after that - before you would run another cycle and that will give you a base for recovering next cycle and also tell you if the pct you ran was enough, say you were sitting at 380 test that means 4 weeks out of pct you were almost fully recovered test wise.

[clarkey02]

No Problem, impressive stats. I am not very experienced so take my advice if you want but as any advice get many opinions but, I know the basics and have researched for around 3 years now. IMO I would run the PCT I posted above. But that being said I would get blood work 4 weeks after PCT is over and see how everything looks, this will tell you how you recovered. Since you don't have blood work from before you wont know what your test was, but you can kind of guess lets say range for your age is 230-800 and your sitting at 350 or higher 4 weeks after you should be good to go (very rough way of looking at it). Then get blood work again 10-14 weeks or so after that - before you would run another cycle and that will give you a base for recovering next cycle and also tell you if the pct you ran was enough, say you were sitting at 380 test that means 4 weeks out of pct you were almost fully recovered test wise.

That's great insight. Thanks a lot for your input bro. I do have a baseline from blood analysis I had about three years ago, which might be somewhat useful. Thanks man!!

[The Titan99]

I would have run HCG throughout the cycle at 250 i.u.'s twice a week right up to PCT day. Try that next time, you'll be absolutely amazed at the difference in the transition. Especially the first couple weeks of PCT. Meanwhile, you could hit 1500 i.u.'s eod for 2 weeks. That's the old school way of doing it. Never done it personally but if I didn't run it while on cycle, I would.

[clarkey02]

I would have run HCG throughout the cycle at 250 i.u.'s twice a week right up to PCT day. Try that next time, you'll be absolutely amazed at the difference in the transition. Especially the first couple weeks of PCT. Meanwhile, you could hit 1500 i.u.'s eod for 2 weeks. That's the old school way of doing it. Never done it personally but if I didn't run it while on cycle, I would.

I have HCG on hand, and was wondering about that. So you suggesting 1500 ius starting 2 days after my last pin day until PCT? Definitely looking for this smooth transition you speak of.

[Jim3432]

^this is debated by many, do some research and choose. Most guys say the old school method is counterproductive. Start here HCG (Pregnyl) FAQ

[sawyer86]

I was under the impression that hcg was usless in pct as it shuts you down and obviously your trying to restart yourself at this stage?

[The Titan99]

I have HCG on hand, and was wondering about that. So you suggesting 1500 ius starting 2 days after my last pin day until PCT? Definitely looking for this smooth transition you speak of.

Yes, do it. every other day though.

It immediately starts your balls producing test again. How in the world would that be counter productive?

[The Titan99]

I was under the impression that hcg was usless in pct as it shuts you down and obviously your trying to restart yourself at this stage?

It doesn't shut you down, it starts you up.

[sawyer86]

It doesn't shut you down, it starts you up.

My pct always included hcg but since joining this forum ive been told many times not to do this because of the reason ive stated.

[kelkel]

My pct always included hcg but since joining this forum ive been told many times not to do this because of the reason ive stated.

HCG at the same time as nolva/clomid is counterproductive. Best during cycle. Alternatively you can run it at a higher dosage EOD after cycle and pre PCT if you need to. Look at the Scally Power PCT Protocol for this in detail. Always best during cycle though....