Prohormone cycle

[TheMeatDepo]

I know this part of the forum is for injection , but i cant find any other prohormone section, so im posting it in here.
stats:
6'4 , 230, 14%, lifting 5 years, 22 years old
Squat- 340
Deadlift- 515
Bench press-290
Power clean- 210

Cycle:
Ultradrol 8/8/12/12 (Methylstenbolone)
Epistane 30/30/30/30 (Havoc)
N2guard 1-4
Hcgenerate 1-4
Nolva and aromasin as needed
liver armor
forma stanzol if needed


Pct
Nolva 40/40/40/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Aromasin if i have any left over
Forma stanzol
DAA power chews

Support supplements on cycle and pct
Animal flex
fish oil
BCAAs
creatine mono micronized
milk thristle (More is better)

Training, doing my own 5x5 variant currently until January, then switching over to high volume low weight on cycle
Also train at a mma gym for fun, do muay thai, jiu jitsu and mma class (fun cardio)
Foam rollers, always, stretching always.

I hope to add some size but cut down to 12% BF, would be pleased with 8-15 pound gain after pct and cycle is all said and done, maybe lose a little fat would be nice as well.

Let me know what yall think or have any critiques, i know i should go with an injectable but i dont trust ****** and dont train at a bodybulding gym to get them. This is a good option for me right now, hopefully in the future i can inject but until then legal it is =).
Plan to start a couple days after new years.

[bass]

wow that a terrible cycle, and at your age you can permanently damage your potential growth. read this to see the risks you'll be facing if you cycle at your age.

The Young and Steroids

pro-hormones are shit because they are hard on the body.

[TheMeatDepo]

im 6'4 why would i need to be any taller... ? I dont ever want to be over 250 pounds either...

[AlphaMike]

He's referring to your endocrine system not being fully developed.

MARCUS300
There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[TheMeatDepo]

I will say i got blood work done and i was low on free T and base T
I got it done twice
Total T 359, 259 second time
Free T 8.0 ng, 9.0 ng
LH hormone was way up (trying to overcompensate for the low t)
Estrogen was low also
Honestly this is why my doctor told me i could do some small cycles because he said eventually i'd go on trt anyway... so

[bass]

low T at 22 your doc needs to do more testing to see why you're not producing, him telling you to cycle is a buffoonish medical practice. where do you live?

[TheMeatDepo]

He didn't tell me to cycle, i asked him if it would be okay because of my condition and he said yes under his supervision... sorry for the miscommunication.
I live in Texas, i grew up in a wealthy family and have always ate good food, I discussed this low t with my doc and he referred me to a eurologist... they think my balls might not be able to produce because i've had trauma to them and i have a history of concussions...

[bass]

same difference, him okaying you cycling is risky business, he could lose his license. what BW has he done? if you have BW done post all of it here with RANGES so we can see the whole picture. cycling is not what you want to treat yourself with, if any and if you really a candidate TRT is the only way.

[TheMeatDepo]

sorry if its hard to read ive uploaded from my phone, but the t level is 259 and free of 8.0 ng

[bass]

man that's hard to read, can you take a clearer pic and rotate it please?!

[David LoPan]

He didn't tell me to cycle, i asked him if it would be okay because of my condition and he said yes under his supervision... sorry for the miscommunication.
I live in Texas, i grew up in a wealthy family and have always ate good food, I discussed this low t with my doc and he referred me to a eurologist... they think my balls might not be able to produce because i've had trauma to them and i have a history of concussions...

IMO I would get a second opinion about what your doctor said. Go see a specialist and READ as much as you can on this site. I read on here for months before I even registered. You have a great person helping you, BASS knows what he is talking about, IMO. I would also suggest to go SLOW with anything. Find out the cause before you just jump to a cure. Your young, better to be safe than sorry later in life. Again, just IMO