Dbol Test E Cycle

[gamble14]

I am 23 years old and I am thinking about starting a cycle of Dbol and Test E. I understand and have read the young and using steroids post and read about waiting till 25 years of age before starting. However, I honestly feel that I have reached very close to my potential naturally as I am around 8% body fat. I am 5ft 10in 185lbs. I have been training since I was 17 and I feel as though I have a good diet. I tend to use the 6 meal a day idea to eating. Anyways, the details to the cycle I plan on running is as follows.

Week 1-4 30mg Dbol ED
Week 1-10 500mg Test E a week. (Monday and Thursday)

PCT
Nolvadex- 40/40/20/20
I also have Clomid but im not sure if I need to use both or if just nolvadex should do the trick.

As far as HCG, it is available but once again I have read different advice, some who say you should run it during you cycle and others who say it is not necessary. Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated. Also if anything at all in this cycle seems wrong then don't sugar coat it for me, just tell me what I need to change.

Thank you.

[DawgHouse]

My next one will be the same plus EQ .... Same exact stats as above lol. what do you all think?

[Reiid13]

You should run HCG unless you want your plums to pack there bags and leave for a few weeks .
Also clomid works in partnership with nolvadex
Id run at 50/50/50/50 or 75/50/50/50

[Igifuno]

It may be in your best interest to wait another year or two, but if you're going to take the plunge...

Dbol and test doses are good, however if this is your first cycle, do a test only cycle, save other compounds for future cycles. You'll respond great with test alone.

You'll want to run an AI (adex/aromasin). HCG is recommended to help prevent testicular atrophy.

Clomid: 100/50/50/50
Nolv: 40/20/20/20 - above as reeid described should be fine too, but these doses work well for me.

Good luck.

[gamble14]

So would you suggest anymore than 500IU of HCG?

[Reiid13]

So would you suggest anymore than 500IU of HCG?

250iu twice a week , day b4 test pins

[ChestNBack]

Hcg on a test dbol cycle. Seriously? Thats not necessary unless you are running that test over 12 weeks. And even a couple weeks after that you can get away with. Let's say if you add some deca in a 12 week cycle then yes run hcg but for a small test cycle. His sex drive will be up not down. I doubt you get any shrinkage in the balls area and if you do it won't be too noticeable

[Reiid13]

Hcg on a test dbol cycle. Seriously? Thats not necessary unless you are running that test over 12 weeks. And even a couple weeks after that you can get away with. Let's say if you add some deca in a 12 week cycle then yes run hcg but for a small test cycle. His sex drive will be up not down. I doubt you get any shrinkage in the balls area and if you do it won't be too noticeable

Why not be safe rather than sorry , also HCG aids in recovery ...

Be sure to have bloodwork done regardless

[gamble14]

I just had bloodwork done before I start. I will get another done week 5 of the cycle to make sure everything looks ok. So now I guess the debate starts on whether or not hcg is needed. Is it going to hurt anything if I do take it with my cycle? Or is it just a waste of money to even buy it?

[Reiid13]

If you read austinites 'how to succesfully execute a first cycle ' stickie .
'Smart' people take it .

Personally I wouldnt want my testicles to up and leave , even on a 10 week cycle , the chance is reduced but the threat is still there. So id take 250 ui / twice week day b4 test shots.

Im not sure why your reluctant to take it , some people might be like :

' mehh screw it my balls are staying put , only a ten week cycle and even if they go , theyll come back'

I say screw that I want my pride and glory staying put !

[JackedJesse]

Ask any GOOD doctor who does TRT and he'll tell you ALWAYS run HCG along with test. There are many other reasons why you should use it, not just testicular atrophy. No, it wont hurt anything if you run it. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain by using it.

[Igifuno]

Hcg on a test dbol cycle. Seriously? Thats not necessary unless you are running that test over 12 weeks. And even a couple weeks after that you can get away with. Let's say if you add some deca in a 12 week cycle then yes run hcg but for a small test cycle. His sex drive will be up not down. I doubt you get any shrinkage in the balls area and if you do it won't be too noticeable

'shrinkage in the balls'? Are you talking about testicular atrophy? If so, you don't have to have 'shrinkage in the balls' for this to occur. When your surpressing your natural test production, you experience testicular atrophy either way. Better safe than sorry and, is better for recovery post cycle.

[gamble14]

Ok so I have liquidex from the banner in the top right for my ai. I assume this is a legit source. I have decided to only do a test cycle and save the dbol for future cycles. I am going to do .25 mg of the liquidex eod and see how that goes. Does this seem ok?

[aviator850]

I am 23 years old and I am thinking about starting a cycle of Dbol and Test E. I understand and have read the young and using steroids post and read about waiting till 25 years of age before starting. However, I honestly feel that I have reached very close to my potential naturally as I am around 8% body fat. I am 5ft 10in 185lbs. I have been training since I was 17 and I feel as though I have a good diet. I tend to use the 6 meal a day idea to eating. Anyways, the details to the cycle I plan on running is as follows.

Week 1-4 30mg Dbol ED
Week 1-10 500mg Test E a week. (Monday and Thursday)

PCT
Nolvadex- 40/40/20/20
I also have Clomid but im not sure if I need to use both or if just nolvadex should do the trick.

As far as HCG, it is available but once again I have read different advice, some who say you should run it during you cycle and others who say it is not necessary. Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated. Also if anything at all in this cycle seems wrong then don't sugar coat it for me, just tell me what I need to change.

Thank you.

I don't have experience with dbol but if it's your first cycle. I would just run the test enth by itself at 500mg per week. I have used clomid plenty and it works great for me. I don't think you'll need both nolvadex and clomid. I would just choose which one you want to use. HCG is used while cycling, just do 500 per week and split your doses. All HCG does is mimic the LH signal, it tells your nuts to keep making it's own test. Some guys say they like to blast HCG after their last injection. I don't believe in that, but you can I guess. Just Google "HCG blast"

[gamble14]

Alright guys, thank you for all your help. I am currently underway with my cycle and I will post back in about 5 weeks and let y'all know how everything is going. Thanks again for the help!

[trikydik]

500 mg per week? 2 shots of 250 or 1 dose at 500?

[gamble14]

2 shots. Monday and thursday. 250 each day

[jgrayson60]

You should run HCG unless you want your plums to pack there bags and leave for a few weeks .
Also clomid works in partnership with nolvadex
Id run at 50/50/50/50 or 75/50/50/50

Lol you had me dying

[gamble14]

6 weeks into cycle, and I am up about 15 pounds an feeling great. No noticeable negative side effects other than obviously sex drive being through the roof, but I'm not complainin. Body fat percentage has gone up a little but I assume that is just water retention and I will work on cuttin that off toward the end of the cycle. Strength gains are incredible, and I feel as though as of now everything is going great. Once again thanks to all y'all that gave me advice and helped me along the way!

[ken9]

Not sure why ur body fat went up usually it goes down i guess cus of ur diet try hit it harder ur workout be intensity that will work too keep us updated how its working for you by the way ur at the same age as me haha but am still natural hehe hows the weight increasing bench squat deadlift ?
an effects the good/bad keep us updated good luck
cheers

[gamble14]

ken my bench squat and deadlift have went up tremendously. I was maxin out bench before cycle at 280 and just today did 300 twice today. Well two and half :P My deadlift has went up 30 pounds and squat has went up 25. I must admit though from having knee surgery from four years of college soccer my squat was not impressive from the start because not just being weak but my mind making it hard to throw on heavy weight. However, it is going up. As far as bad side effects there really arent any. I do sweat alot more now than I did before i started the cycle, but from what i have read this is normal. The more i increase the amount of water i drink the better it gets however. Sex is when i seem to sweat the most, but the girl doesnt mind I think she sort of likes it haha. But the good side effects are through the roof. Strength is incredible, confidence is up just from being so much stronger. I believe if you listen to these guys on here that know what they are talking about it is very easy to keep the bad effects to a minimum. They give great advice.

[ken9]

Glad to hear its going well for you gamble! that's amazing! did you notice an veins change like they started to show more ?
Enjoy ur cycle man am really glad its working very well for you with out an bad side effect!
cheers!

[gamble14]

yeah veins definitely show more especially when working out. But hey, It just makes you look more beastly! haha