pharmacy grade omnitrope vs Norvotrop

[awchristler]

hey guys,

i just got hgh from my dr, its called omnitrope. Now comparing it to Norvotrop, how much stronger is the omnitrope?

the reason i ask is because I want to adjust my usage HGH guidlines as i am assuming omnitrope is stronger.

thanks

[lovbyts]

What are your goals?

[awchristler]

just to repair my colon, its ****ed up cuz i have crohns

[lovbyts]

Is this via prescription? If yes what did your doctor suggest? From the studies I have seen/read it looks like just a 1.5 IU daily dose is enough to help. They said MG but I'm pretty sure they meant IU.
HGH Treats Crohns Disease - Growth Hormone to Speed up and Expedite Healing

[awchristler]

Is this via prescription? If yes what did your doctor suggest? From the studies I have seen/read it looks like just a 1.5 IU daily dose is enough to help. They said MG but I'm pretty sure they meant IU.
HGH Treats Crohns Disease - Growth Hormone to Speed up and Expedite Healing

hey thanks for the find and yes i know about this, and thats no misprint those guys were using 1.5mg of the stuff, which is just crazy.

so what i did was get a 10 iu vial of norvo from a friend and i self diagnosed at 2iu which is the recommended dosages on here for newbies and i had good results. so since the pharma stuff is not covered and expensive as hell, but stronger than street gear i am looking to use less ....but how much less, half??

your thoughts?

[lovbyts]

I had good results with 1iu a day 5x a week but it was mainly feeling better, getting back in shape slowly and steadily but I'm sure it would help with recovery also. 2iu would for sure be better but also you need enough to use a bare minimum of 4-6 months. Longer the better. I would not consider using any street HGH since 99% is fake. I would do a LOT of research before getting any from anyone besides your buddy. Consider going to a longevity clinic and see if they can help you out. It would probably be worth the money.

[awchristler]

i have a prescription for the real stuff........i tried the norvo (street stuff) just to see if it would help and it did so i got it from the pharmacy

so are you saying 1iu pharmacy grade is about 2 times stronger than street grade?

[lovbyts]

Cant say, it all depends on what your street grade stuff is. 1iu is about 10000x stronger than 99% of the street grade that is out there the past 5 years. It use to be mostly Igf-1 but once it got found out they started using a lot of other face peptides. If you have a prescription you are a lot safer going with that for sure.

[awchristler]

Cant say, it all depends on what your street grade stuff is. 1iu is about 10000x stronger than 99% of the street grade that is out there the past 5 years. It use to be mostly Igf-1 but once it got found out they started using a lot of other face peptides. If you have a prescription you are a lot safer going with that for sure.

well i wasnt using chinese stuff, i was using norvo which claims to be made in russia or whatever, so would omni and norvo both be considered pharma? i got the onmi from my costco pharmacy

[lovbyts]

well i wasnt using chinese stuff, i was using norvo which claims to be made in russia or whatever, so would omni and norvo both be considered pharma? i got the onmi from my costco pharmacy

Nice. I need to see if my Cosco carrys Onmi. I think that is what I use to get when I had a prescription. Only reason I stopped was $$$ I got mine from the clinic I was going to.

[awchristler]

i was using norvo which claims to be made in russia or whatever, so would omni and norvo both be considered pharma?

[DPTUK]

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[awchristler]

Real human grade HGH is approximately 50% more potent than real generics (which you can't find anymore anyway)!

I am om 1.2ml (4IU) of Genotropin.

nice, is it covered or are you paying for it?

[thisAngelBites]

Not to be funny, but that Norvotrop website looks like rubbish.

All the pharmaceutical companies' websites concentrate on childhood GH deficiency, because they are the extreme percentage of the patients for whom GH treatment is medically approved. Norvotrop seems to be concentrating on adults, which is (from a medical perspective) unusual, and no pharmaceutical company does this.

They even say that one of the ways you can tell your Norvotrop is working is by looking at your BMI (!), and seeing if your body fat around your abdomen decreases. Their website looks to be custom written for the bodybuilding crowd. I don't see anything remotely pharma-grade about it. ("How do I explain this treatment to my family and friends?" -- tell them some Russian company trying to make a bundle is pitching a miracle fat burner to the bodybuilders, but trying to make it look like it's something pharmaceutical --- hahah, that's my answer, not theirs!).

Anyway, none of this proves it is not legit, or contaminated, and I hope that it really is made somewhere respectable in Russia, and not just re-packaged stuff from China. If you look on google maps makes the address look like a run down industrial slum, and website is owned by some guy with a safe-mail email address who owns other domains similar to gogetpills cialis-now and things like that. Addresses are in Russia and Ukraine. Maybe it's really just re-labelled Jintropin. There's really no knowing.

[thisAngelBites]

Oops, I just realised that you are aware that Novotrop is street stuff and not pharma. There's no telling what's in it.

[Bonaparte]

There's no way to know, since black market GH is mostly severely underdosed, if it contains any GH at all.

[DPTUK]

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[tectime]

Not to be funny, but that Norvotrop website looks like rubbish. All the pharmaceutical companies' websites concentrate on childhood GH deficiency, because they are the extreme percentage of the patients for whom GH treatment is medically approved. Norvotrop seems to be concentrating on adults, which is (from a medical perspective) unusual, and no pharmaceutical company does this. They even say that one of the ways you can tell your Norvotrop is working is by looking at your BMI (!), and seeing if your body fat around your abdomen decreases. Their website looks to be custom written for the bodybuilding crowd. I don't see anything remotely pharma-grade about it. ("How do I explain this treatment to my family and friends?" -- tell them some Russian company trying to make a bundle is pitching a miracle fat burner to the bodybuilders, but trying to make it look like it's something pharmaceutical --- hahah, that's my answer, not theirs!). Anyway, none of this proves it is not legit, or contaminated, and I hope that it really is made somewhere respectable in Russia, and not just re-packaged stuff from China. If you look on google maps makes the address look like a run down industrial slum, and website is owned by some guy with a safe-mail email address who owns other domains similar to gogetpills cialis-now and things like that. Addresses are in Russia and Ukraine. Maybe it's really just re-labelled Jintropin. There's really no knowing.

So true. All legit sites I know of are targeted to children. What a refreshing note to see someone as informed and inquisitive. Well done! To even google earth their location, well done !

[DPTUK]

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[awchristler]

Angelbite's is the nuts! So clued up.

i second that notion, angelbites is legit!!

so back to my original question how much should i take of this onmni stuff? i was talking 2iu of norvo for my colon repair and that was ok, so should i take half as much of the legit pharma stuff?

[tectime]

If you think your other gh was good, and only you can say, and 2iu works good for you, then I'd stick with the 2 iu. If your trying to save money because pharma is more you can try 1iu and up your dose if not effective.

[thisAngelBites]

Very important to do your homework when you are dealing with these non pharma companies! I found a lot more about that guy, and it generally looks shady, they're selling steroids and stuff and one of the addresses looks like a flat in Russia (that sort of situation may or may not be fine for steroids, but not for GH) - and it's all easy to find.

There's not going to be some conversion between a non pharma and pharma, because the non pharma isn't standardised, and might vary from batch to batch even.

1 iu is sort of the standard anti-aging starting dose, so I would agree with tectime that starting at 1 iu and seeing how you feel would be the way to go, knowing you could ramp up if need be.

I started on 1 iu of genotropin, and switched to jintropin at 1.5 iu - 2.0 and I feel the same - not that this tells you much because of course ymmv.

i second that notion, angelbites is legit!!

so back to my original question how much should i take of this onmni stuff? i was talking 2iu of norvo for my colon repair and that was ok, so should i take half as much of the legit pharma stuff?

[DPTUK]

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[Fcastle357]

I am on 1.2ml (4IU) Pharma Genotropin and I don't feel diddly squat, should I get bloodwork's done and test my IG1 or should I just say screw it and up the dose to 6IU?

What happened to hitting on chicks throwing weights around and screaming. Thought you were feeling great?

[DPTUK]

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[awchristler]

Very important to do your homework when you are dealing with these non pharma companies! I found a lot more about that guy, and it generally looks shady, they're selling steroids and stuff and one of the addresses looks like a flat in Russia (that sort of situation may or may not be fine for steroids, but not for GH) - and it's all easy to find.

There's not going to be some conversion between a non pharma and pharma, because the non pharma isn't standardised, and might vary from batch to batch even.

1 iu is sort of the standard anti-aging starting dose, so I would agree with tectime that starting at 1 iu and seeing how you feel would be the way to go, knowing you could ramp up if need be.

I started on 1 iu of genotropin, and switched to jintropin at 1.5 iu - 2.0 and I feel the same - not that this tells you much because of course ymmv.

ok well thats the EXACT comparison i was looking for, so genetropin is legit pharma and jintropin is from a highly respected UGL.....in your opinion are jins about half as strong as the gene?

[Mp859]

ok well thats the EXACT comparison i was looking for, so genetropin is legit pharma and jintropin is from a highly respected UGL.....in your opinion are jins about half as strong as the gene?

Didn't read the whole thread my bad.

[marcus300]

I am on 1.2ml (4IU) Pharma Genotropin and I don't feel diddly squat, should I get bloodwork's done and test my IG1 or should I just say screw it and up the dose to 6IU?

Well, I am feeling good and definitely recovering better, has the GH made me any stronger than I was before? I am not seeing any evidence of that so far!

There is no question that the recovery element is great, so is the sleep and mental effects.

I'm sure I have put on about 5lbs of muscle and my friggin legs have gone from 24.5 to 25.5.........which is the worst thing ever, cos I hate my legs and want them to be smaller. I might just quit training legs.

It takes months to work and the weight you put on is water weight, you wont add tissue at 4-6 ius anyway it will need to be at least 8iu+ for around 10-12 months along side some aas

[marcus300]

Not to be funny, but that Norvotrop website looks like rubbish.

All the pharmaceutical companies' websites concentrate on childhood GH deficiency, because they are the extreme percentage of the patients for whom GH treatment is medically approved. Norvotrop seems to be concentrating on adults, which is (from a medical perspective) unusual, and no pharmaceutical company does this.

They even say that one of the ways you can tell your Norvotrop is working is by looking at your BMI (!), and seeing if your body fat around your abdomen decreases. Their website looks to be custom written for the bodybuilding crowd. I don't see anything remotely pharma-grade about it. ("How do I explain this treatment to my family and friends?" -- tell them some Russian company trying to make a bundle is pitching a miracle fat burner to the bodybuilders, but trying to make it look like it's something pharmaceutical --- hahah, that's my answer, not theirs!).

Anyway, none of this proves it is not legit, or contaminated, and I hope that it really is made somewhere respectable in Russia, and not just re-packaged stuff from China. If you look on google maps makes the address look like a run down industrial slum, and website is owned by some guy with a safe-mail email address who owns other domains similar to gogetpills cialis-now and things like that. Addresses are in Russia and Ukraine. Maybe it's really just re-labelled Jintropin. There's really no knowing.

Very important to do your homework when you are dealing with these non pharma companies! I found a lot more about that guy, and it generally looks shady, they're selling steroids and stuff and one of the addresses looks like a flat in Russia (that sort of situation may or may not be fine for steroids, but not for GH) - and it's all easy to find.

There's not going to be some conversion between a non pharma and pharma, because the non pharma isn't standardised, and might vary from batch to batch even.

1 iu is sort of the standard anti-aging starting dose, so I would agree with tectime that starting at 1 iu and seeing how you feel would be the way to go, knowing you could ramp up if need be.

I started on 1 iu of genotropin, and switched to jintropin at 1.5 iu - 2.0 and I feel the same - not that this tells you much because of course ymmv.

Angel is all over this

[awchristler]

Didn't read the whole thread my bad.

lol its ok, so what do you think the strength ratio is between em?

[thisAngelBites]

I think you want a hard and fast answer that doesn't exist. The EXACT thing you want to know is unknown, and I would say it's unknowable.

I don't think anyone knows a ratio - there is a lot of, what do they call it? Broscience? - thrown around that chinese or UGL is half as strong as pharma. The truth is that no one knows - someone tries to estimate based on sides, or just how they feel, and that's some estimation made by that person, and it relates to a subjective experience of a substance (non pharma GH) that is very likely to vary from batch to batch anyway. Then someone else sees it (as people do on a forum, they see one person say something, and then they spout it everywhere like it's gospel) and pretty soon people quote various figures that one person more or less pulled out of their arse.

Start at a low dose, until you feel whatever abatement of your Crohn's that you experienced when you took your pharma brand, and then stick there? You will eventually find someone to give you the ratio you want, but at best it will be inconsistent, at worst it will be invented. Good luck to you.

lol its ok, so what do you think the strength ratio is between em?

[awchristler]

I think you want a hard and fast answer that doesn't exist. The EXACT thing you want to know is unknown, and I would say it's unknowable.

I don't think anyone knows a ratio - there is a lot of, what do they call it? Broscience? - thrown around that chinese or UGL is half as strong as pharma. The truth is that no one knows - someone tries to estimate based on sides, or just how they feel, and that's some estimation made by that person, and it relates to a subjective experience of a substance (non pharma GH) that is very likely to vary from batch to batch anyway. Then someone else sees it (as people do on a forum, they see one person say something, and then they spout it everywhere like it's gospel) and pretty soon people quote various figures that one person more or less pulled out of their arse.

Start at a low dose, until you feel whatever abatement of your Crohn's that you experienced when you took your pharma brand, and then stick there? You will eventually find someone to give you the ratio you want, but at best it will be inconsistent, at worst it will be invented. Good luck to you.

you are brilliant angel, how did you find out who owns the website? can you please do me a favor and find out if they own this website as well? Genevatropin - Recombinant DNA Secretion Technology

i want to see if they are the same as the norvo guys as ive used them before as well

[lovbyts]

you are brilliant angel, how did you find out who owns the website? can you please do me a favor and find out if they own this website as well? Genevatropin - Recombinant DNA Secretion Technology

i want to see if they are the same as the norvo guys as ive used them before as well

WHOIS Lookup for Domain & IP Address Research | Whois Source

There are several others out there also who do the same.

[thisAngelBites]

Yes, as Lovbyts says, just use a whois like that one. The website you just posted has a web hoster acting as the registering agent, so the client who owns that website is not shown.

Although I see what you mean - the website looks very similar to the other one, doesn't it? Sometimes it's possible that that someone has nicked the HTML to make the buttons, etc., and a bunch of the text, or maybe both sites were made with some web publishing product that has some boilerplates that people can take and modify. But the FAQ is more or less identical. Listing a web hoster in Canada is a better way to have some anonymity than listing your run down industrial estate in Russia. Maybe the Russian one was done first and they have since wised up, or maybe they're different people, stealing stuff from others. It would probably take a fair amount of digging to find out, and since it's unlikely to be the real deal, it's probably not worth the time.

Notice at the bottom of the homepage it explains the product is not FDA approved.