Time between cycles, maybe I misunderstood?

[btrizzyb]

From the research that I did before I was under the influence that after my last cycle was over I had to do PCT then I was ready to go back on for my second cycle. Now I am hearing that Im going back on cycle to fast? Here is what Ive done so far:

10 week cycle:
Test Enan( 500mg/week first 4 weeks. 750mg/week last 6 weeks) 2 shots a week of course
HCG 500ui a week (250ui twice a week)
Amiridex .25mg EOD

I then took 14 days off from my last pin and then started 4 weeks of PCT
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/50/50/50

From my understanding after my last day of PCT my body SHOULD be back down to normal levels, so I could then start my next cycle. I had someone tell me today though that I should be taking an extra at least 6 weeks off after my PCT!?

Looking at pics from 6 weeks ago im pretty discusted with how much muscle I lost being off cycle and ive even gained gut fat since then. I still work out 5 times a week, and really its depressing... My lifts have dropped DRAMATICLY. Im feeling like if I waited 6 more weeks id loose EVERYTHING that I built during my last cycle....

Looking for some advice... Thanks guys.

[bass]

no more than two cycles per year in my opinion. you need to let your body re over fully.

[Reiid13]

Were you still hitting the gym after your last pin ? , also did you maintain or increase your diet ? And was it clean ? ... What was your BF% when starting out ?

[btrizzyb]

Were you still hitting the gym after your last pin ? , also did you maintain or increase your diet ? And was it clean ? ... What was your BF% when starting out ?

I am at the gym 5 days a week on average. I always make sure to make it there at least 4 days every single week, sometimes as many as 6 days. Havent had a single week less than 4 days since February.

I am eating close to the same, not quite as much but I am trying to force myself to keep eating. Ive heard its normal to drop protein intake a little bit though when off cycle?

As far as eating clean, im not eating AS CLEAN as I was on cycle, these damn snack foods are getting to me lately, but I am still eating pretty clean. I could understand the gut I guess because I am snacking a little more than I should, really didnt think I was doing that bad though until I compared myself now to a pic from a month ago.

As far as body% goes I never used calipers, but I did use the handheld thing at the gym and at the start of my cycle I was at 12% 165lbs. I finished up my cycle at 11% 190 and I could see a pretty good outline of my abs. They werent ripped up or anything but I could definitely see the outline of muscle, now.... yeah... Not happy with myself at all man....

[bigsiv]

Cycle length + pct = time off before next cycle. The only true wY of knowing if your ready to cycle again is to get blood work done to check your natural test levels are back in range and close to your pre cycle blood work. If you cycle to early then your never fully recovered and that just increases the whole load of risks that come when on cycle

[Igifuno]

Cycle length + pct = time off before next cycle. The only true wY of knowing if your ready to cycle again is to get blood work done to check your natural test levels are back in range and close to your pre cycle blood work. If you cycle to early then your never fully recovered and that just increases the whole load of risks that come when on cycle

^^^ this

[Bonaparte]

From the research that I did before I was under the influence that after my last cycle was over I had to do PCT then I was ready to go back on for my second cycle. Now I am hearing that Im going back on cycle to fast? Here is what Ive done so far:

That sounds about right...

[btrizzyb]

So you are telling me that I am wrong Boneparte? trying to figure this out so I can at least do my next PCT correctly... I thought I knew how I was suppose to do it, apparently not though?

[btrizzyb]

Cycle length + pct = time off before next cycle. The only true wY of knowing if your ready to cycle again is to get blood work done to check your natural test levels are back in range and close to your pre cycle blood work. If you cycle to early then your never fully recovered and that just increases the whole load of risks that come when on cycle

Man, I feel like id totally loose everything if I took just as long off cycle as I was on cycle for?

[aussie made]

It's simple. Time on+2 weeks + pct = time off. Your pct was correct just the time off isn't. 16 weeks off u need. And you lost your gains because your diet wasn't in check. You have to eat more for the new muscle you put on. You never and dropped cals down and thats why you lost it. Think you need to read nutrition and not gear at moment

[Fcastle357]

It's simple. Time on+2 weeks + pct = time off. Your pct was correct just the time off isn't. 16 weeks off u need. And you lost your gains because your diet wasn't in check. You have to eat more for the new muscle you put on. You never and dropped cals down and thats why you lost it. Think you need to read nutrition and not gear at moment

Not exactly fact. Your body will only be so big naturally. Once you reach a genetic plateau you will stop gaining muscle. Not sure about fat. That's why people never come off. Diet will help to preserve what your body will support naturally. If your past your limit and come off you WILL lose. The goal is to hold on till next cycle. If you never cycle again you will go back to your natural limit.

[Igifuno]

trizzy read this with respect to your concern about losing gains. Gear is not the long term answer, lifestyle, training and diet is. Be careful with yourself

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rate-user.html

[btrizzyb]

trizzy read this with respect to your concern about losing gains. Gear is not the long term answer, lifestyle, training and diet is. Be careful with yourself

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rate-user.html

Thanks man, I read the post, lots of good info there. I posted quite a few questions for Marcus too LoL

[Igifuno]

good deal man.. glad to hear.

[Bonaparte]

So you are telling me that I am wrong Boneparte? trying to figure this out so I can at least do my next PCT correctly... I thought I knew how I was suppose to do it, apparently not though?

I was just messing with you. The word you needed was "impression". "Under the influence" sounds like you were drunk or high.

[bigsiv]

Man, I feel like id totally loose everything if I took just as long off cycle as I was on cycle for?

This is a very critical time so it's paramount the train harder, eat more and really focus on your goal. The quicker you can get your natural test working the better the chance in keeping gains. That's why a solid pct is critical

[Back In Black]

So you are telling me that I am wrong Boneparte? trying to figure this out so I can at least do my next PCT correctly... I thought I knew how I was suppose to do it, apparently not though?

You ran your PCT correctly first time round.

As stated it takes time for your hormones to balance after PCT even. This is where pre and post cycle bloodwork is handy. If you get bloodwork 6 weeks after the end of PCT and it is the same as pre cycle than you can CONSIDER starting up again. If not, you need to wait longer before you consider it. If you don't get bloodwork it is a guessing game and the time on plus PCT = time off is a good rule.

[lovbyts]

Man, I feel like id totally loose everything if I took just as long off cycle as I was on cycle for?

Well it's like this, if you dont take time off like you should what you will be loosing is a LOT more important than muscle size...

If what you gain is muscle and not water weight then you will keep most of it with proper training and diet unless you are near your genetic limits.

[btrizzyb]

You ran your PCT correctly first time round.

As stated it takes time for your hormones to balance after PCT even. This is where pre and post cycle bloodwork is handy. If you get bloodwork 6 weeks after the end of PCT and it is the same as pre cycle than you can CONSIDER starting up again. If not, you need to wait longer before you consider it. If you don't get bloodwork it is a guessing game and the time on plus PCT = time off is a good rule.

Blood Tests are a mail in thing right? Is there a post in this forum somewhere that covers that sort of thing?

[Bonaparte]

Blood Tests are a mail in thing right? Is there a post in this forum somewhere that covers that sort of thing?

No.
The best way to do it is to buy the test online, then go into your preselected lab and have the sample drawn. Then they email you the results in a day or two.

[Brett N]

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...lood-work.html

[btrizzyb]

No.
The best way to do it is to buy the test online, then go into your preselected lab and have the sample drawn. Then they email you the results in a day or two.

How expensive is this? Im assumimg insurance doesnt cover the lab visit?

[MuscleInk]

How expensive is this? Im assumimg insurance doesnt cover the lab visit?

Not unless a doctor is writing the lab orders and submitting it for an insurance authorization.

[NaijaBoy]

Don't get addicted. Gear isn't the only answer. As someone else stated, twice a year is a good average.

[lovbyts]

How expensive is this? Im assumimg insurance doesnt cover the lab visit?

Most test are $100 - $150 depending on what one you choose. I suggest getting this one. Its really cheap insurance in the long run.
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[Art Vandelay]

3 months on, 3 off imo