Interesting quote regarding not needing to aspirate!!!!!!!

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12-09-2013, 02:25 PM
johnnymctrance

Interesting quote regarding not needing to aspirate!!!!!!!

I have pinched this quote from another forum and would just like your view on this statement!

"Aspiration may be relevant to detect possible penetration of gluteal artery when the dorsogluteal muscle is used – this would indicate incorrect initial land-marking. However, official guidance (DH, 2006; WHO, 2004) does not recommend routine use of the dorsogluteal muscle, and this should be sufficient to justify changing practice. If this site were removed from routine practice, aspiration could be removed from the procedure, simplifying it and reducing the risk of adverse events."
http://www.nursingtimes.net/nursing-...952004.article
12-09-2013, 02:31 PM
kronik420

i don't get it..
12-09-2013, 02:31 PM
Lunk1

What adverse events can be caused by aspirating?
12-09-2013, 02:41 PM
johnnymctrance

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lunk1

What adverse events can be caused by aspirating?

I never said there was ha, i was mearly putting this up for people to comment on as everybody on this forum recommends aspirating and this statement goes against what everybody says on here
12-09-2013, 02:42 PM
johnnymctrance

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronik420

i don't get it..

What do u not get man? its a statement that says u dont need to aspirate unless doing a glute shot! Confused?
12-09-2013, 02:43 PM
kelkel

Only takes a second.
12-09-2013, 02:45 PM
Lunk1

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnymctrance

I never said there was ha, i was mearly putting this up for people to comment on as everybody on this forum recommends aspirating and this statement goes against what everybody says on here

The quote before the link says there are adverse effects. I don't know of any. I only know of adverse effects from NOT aspirating.
12-09-2013, 02:47 PM
kronik420

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnymctrance

What do u not get man? its a statement that says u dont need to aspirate unless doing a glute shot! Confused?

aspirate or don't aspirate, up to you..

if you never aspirate your going to hit a vein sooner or later...

there are all sorts of weird and wonderful statements all over the internet... i wouldn't believe them all...
12-09-2013, 02:49 PM
johnnymctrance

Quote:

Originally Posted by kelkel

Only takes a second.

I know man i was just putting this up to get peoples opinions!
12-09-2013, 02:51 PM
johnnymctrance

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lunk1

The quote before the link says there are adverse effects. I don't know of any. I only know of adverse effects from NOT aspirating.

Oh ye i see what you mean man! Maybe there are some adverse effects we are not aware of!! Who knows haha
12-09-2013, 09:22 PM
Art Vandelay

I do... its a pretty simple task and takes just a second...
12-09-2013, 10:11 PM
tectime

I don't. If you know where to inject yourself in the glutes there's no reason to. Not saying I haven't nicked a vein a couple of times but not in a long time and not very often. High on the hip, no blood, no pip.
12-09-2013, 10:26 PM
austinite

Merely, Johnny, merely.
12-09-2013, 10:36 PM
Igifuno

Its a best practices type of thing. There have been times where I've pulled back and blood drains in, and I'm not too much in the mood to inject that. Better safe than sorry.
12-09-2013, 11:13 PM
DexterMorgan

Aspirating only takes a second, so why not.
12-10-2013, 01:26 AM
mockery

My dr doesnt when i go in for shots, shes against it and i have no idea. Some dr and nurses are stubborn.
12-10-2013, 01:34 AM
AD

doctors are allowed to be lazy, cos they know what they're doing.
12-10-2013, 02:54 AM
MuscleInk

Quote:

Originally Posted by AD

doctors are allowed to be lazy, cos they know what they're doing.

^^^.....and then some are just plain lazy! Lol.

I frequently laugh when someone uses the "my MD/RN never aspirates". Well, first, most are better trained than the recreational steroid user on how and where to inject. Second, many IM injections administered by HCPs are NOT drugs suspended in OIL. Big difference between injecting water soluble compounds versus those suspended in a thicker oil.

If you're too lazy to aspirate and take a few extra seconds to ensure your own health and safety, put down the needle, put away the steroids, and go back to your sedentary lifestyle of eating chips and ice cream from the comfort of your LAZY boy. :)
12-10-2013, 04:11 AM
mockery

Quote:

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

^^^.....and then some are just plain lazy! Lol.

I frequently laugh when someone uses the "my MD/RN never aspirates". Well, first, most are better trained than the recreational steroid user on how and where to inject. Second, many IM injections administered by HCPs are NOT drugs suspended in OIL. Big difference between injecting water soluble compounds versus those suspended in a thicker oil.

If you're too lazy to aspirate and take a few extra seconds to ensure your own health and safety, put down the needle, put away the steroids, and go back to your sedentary lifestyle of eating chips and ice cream from the comfort of your LAZY boy. :)

i eat chips and ice cream when im on gear. what chu talking about willis
12-10-2013, 04:13 AM
mockery

if its vitamin D, or Test my dr says "cough" she drives the needle home and its all over before it begins just the same. Last time i coughed and flexed my glutes and she got me good, frack that one hurt
12-10-2013, 11:11 AM
johnnymctrance

Quote:

Originally Posted by austinite

Merely, Johnny, merely.

haha what?
12-10-2013, 11:13 AM
jimmyinkedup

Quote:

Originally Posted by kelkel

Only takes a second.

This. Why NOT take the second just in case? Plus if you ever had the coughing fit by nicking a vein while injecting you would never not do it again.
12-10-2013, 11:24 AM
Lunk1

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

This. Why NOT take the second just in case? Plus if you ever had the coughing fit by nicking a vein while injecting you would never not do it again.

I always aspirate and this still happens...sucks :)
12-10-2013, 11:28 AM
Igifuno

^^ it certainly does. All the more reason to aspirate :)
12-10-2013, 11:36 AM
clarky.

I always aspirate jimmy but on 2 occasions i've had the coughing fit really really hot can't get a breath not nice
12-10-2013, 11:38 AM
jimmyinkedup

Quote:

Originally Posted by clarky.

I always aspirate jimmy but on 2 occasions i've had the coughing fit really really hot can't get a breath not nice

Yeah i think it still happen if you nick on the way in but when you aspirate you are clear of vein. Aspiration certainly lessens the chance though.
12-10-2013, 12:48 PM
austinite

Most RN's don't aspirate, in fact, many of them are trained not to in some areas. However, we have to remember that they rarely inject anything that is harmful if injected IV.

Always aspirate, you ass pirates.
12-10-2013, 12:49 PM
Lunk1

Quote:

Originally Posted by austinite

Most RN's don't aspirate, in fact, many of them are trained not to in some areas. However, we have to remember that they rarely inject anything that is harmful if injected IV.

Always aspirate, you ass pirates.

I see what you did there. Aspirate..Ass Pirates, very clever ;)
12-10-2013, 12:50 PM
austinite

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I see what you did there. Aspirate..Ass Pirates, very clever ;)

:banana:
12-10-2013, 01:00 PM
Trauma RN

Just to add my 2 cents....Im a Trauma Nurse here in Detroit area so I have given a TON of IM shots..I ALWAYS aspirate. I do on my patients and I do on myself......
12-10-2013, 01:30 PM
mockery

i hit a vein in my stomach with hcg, no coughing fit but the burning was not fun.
12-10-2013, 02:07 PM
johnnymctrance

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I always aspirate and this still happens...sucks :)

Does it happen with test?
12-10-2013, 02:07 PM
johnnymctrance

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

Yeah i think it still happen if you nick on the way in but when you aspirate you are clear of vein. Aspiration certainly lessens the chance though.

I have never gotten the cough... how bad is it? what compounds do u get it from?
12-10-2013, 02:12 PM
clarky.

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnymctrance

I have never gotten the cough... how bad is it? what compounds do u get it from?

Any compound
12-10-2013, 02:12 PM
jimmyinkedup

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnymctrance

I have never gotten the cough... how bad is it? what compounds do u get it from?

Any oil based inj roid (maybe water based winny or test suspension as well-never have but maybe) ..tren seems particularly bad....
12-10-2013, 02:21 PM
clarky.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

Any oil based inj roid (maybe water based winny or test suspension as well-never have but maybe) ..tren seems particularly bad....

I should have said any oil compound jimmy
12-10-2013, 02:26 PM
jimmyinkedup

Quote:

Originally Posted by clarky.

I should have said any oil compound jimmy

No your prob right clarky. If i had to speculate id say it would occur with a water based compound as well I just never experienced it man.
12-10-2013, 02:31 PM
Igifuno

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnnymctrance

I have never gotten the cough... how bad is it? what compounds do u get it from?

I have only gotten it from Tren and TNE, but the tren seems to be a little more pronounced.
12-10-2013, 02:39 PM
tectime

I've nicked a vein so bad that the injection gave me an instant hotflash so intense that it nearly knocked me off my feet followed by a coughing fit that felt like I was coughing up oil. Also once after removing the needle blood shot two feet across the room. So hitting a vein can be tough. I've only nicked a vein maybe 4 or 5 times out of 350 plus injections in glutes. Very small odds. And once you learn where to inject there is no need to aspirate. If if makes you feel better cool do it. But nicking a vein won't kill you, it will usually only give you a hot flash and the sweats for a minute. I AM IN NO WAY PROMOTING INJECTING WITHOUT ASPIRATING ! Again what ever makes you feel safe. But the truth about the dangers of non aspirating should be expressed by someone with experience and the knowledge of what it is really like to actually hit a vein to such an extent. And it's def not because I'm lazy! Do I look lazy ! Hahaha ! You don't get built like this being lazy! It's because I'm knowledgeable enough and experienced enough not to have to.
12-10-2013, 02:45 PM
johnnymctrance

Quote:

Originally Posted by Igifuno

I have only gotten it from Tren and TNE, but the tren seems to be a little more pronounced.

What is the actual reason for the cough occurring?

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