"Test flu" can't shake it after 3 weeks

[ANIMAL]

I'm going on my 6th pin and I've yet to have a decent workout. This is far from my first cycle, but it is my first time using Test E instead of Cyp, I feel like a newb at this point though.

I am getting localized red swelling after each injection (delts/glutes) and some annoying PIP. I could get past the PIP if it wasn't for the slight fever, sweats and chills. The first sign of "test flu" came after the 3rd injection. I figured it was typical of my body just recognizing the gear and I would adapt to it. It's also been 1 year since I did my last cycle, so I figured the PIP/red swelling was do to "virgin muscle". I stuck it out last Monday and felt better on Wed/Thurs. I was still playing with my Aromasin dosage so at that point I still wasn't able to have a decent lift.

I took the weekend off and rested all day Sunday. I pinned Sunday with no issues, just the normal PIP I was having. Monday I had a good workout, but woke up Tuesday with the same "test flu" type symptoms, now with an added annoying cough every 25 minutes.

Last year I don't recall any of this happening, or ever happening when I did a cycle. The more I think about it, the more I feel Test E just doesn't work for me for some odd reason. I know others who are using the same gear with no issues, but have also switched from the E to the Cyp and got rid of all their similar symptoms.

At this point you're now saying, "ok, so just make the switch to the Cyp and see how you feel." I won't be able to get it in time for my next 2 pins (tonight and sunday). I really don't want to continue to pin the Test E and wait for the Cyp to come in so I don't have any drops with my levels, but I don't think I can handle another week or so of feeling like. I can handle a lot of pain and feeling down n' out, but this is absurd.

My question is, if it takes 1 week or 2 weeks to get the Cyp in, can I just wait and pin it when it comes in? Possibly front load at that point to get the levels back? Do I PCT in 2 weeks and then restart a few weeks later? Trying to avoid stopping and doing a PCT.

[Lunk1]

What do you think the difference between E and C would be and don't say "D" lol.

[ANIMAL]

What do you think the difference between E and C would be and don't say "D" lol.

I really have no idea TBH. But everything I've read from people having the same issues have switched to C and got rid of their problems. I did some research on the differences between E and C and there's really not much difference. I did read, not saying it's true, that UGL's can get C cheaper then E so there's a less likely chance to use less cutting oils?

In the gear I'm using, there is 10% BB and 2% BA, could I possibly have some type of allergy?

[Lunk1]

I really have no idea TBH. But everything I've read from people having the same issues have switched to C and got rid of their problems. I did some research on the differences between E and C and there's really not much difference. I did read, not saying it's true, that UGL's can get C cheaper then E so there's a less likely chance to use less cutting oils?

In the gear I'm using, there is 10% BB and 2% BA, could I possibly have some type of allergy?

The only significant difference is the half life of Cyp being a bit longer. "Test flu" (I don't care for the phrase) can be caused by any AAS usage. Your immune system is more susceptible while on cycle. My suggestion is a healthy dose of Zinc, Magnesium and Vit. A and fight through it!

[ANIMAL]

I've had PIP before, but nothing like this. I understand that your immune system is more susceptible while on cycle, but assuming vitamins won't fight off localized red swelling from injection. I've never had C give me any type of PIP, only from Prop. That was manageable, but still didn't get swelling.

[Lunk1]

I've had PIP before, but nothing like this. I understand that your immune system is more susceptible while on cycle, but assuming vitamins won't fight off localized red swelling from injection. I've never had C give me any type of PIP, only from Prop. That was manageable, but still didn't get swelling.

I'm assuming this is a new "brand" you are using?

[ANIMAL]

I'm assuming this is a new "brand" you are using?

Yes, you thinking I should ditch it and go to another? Or stick it out?

[testluva]

I'm going on my 7th pin and I've yet to have a decent workout. This is far from my first cycle, but it is my first time using Test E instead of Cyp, I feel like a newb at this point though. I am getting localized red swelling after each injection (delts/glutes) and some annoying PIP. I could get past the PIP if it wasn't for the slight fever, sweats and chills. The first sign of "test flu" came after the 3rd injection. I figured it was typical of my body just recognizing the gear and I would adapt to it. It's also been 1 year since I did my last cycle, so I figured the PIP/red swelling was do to "virgin muscle". I stuck it out last Monday and felt better on Wed/Thurs. I was still playing with my Aromasin dosage so at that point I still wasn't able to have a decent lift. I took the weekend off and rested all day Sunday. I pinned Sunday with no issues, just the normal PIP I was having. Monday I had a good workout, but woke up Tuesday with the same "test flu" type symptoms, now with an added annoying cough every 25 minutes. Last year I don't recall any of this happening, or ever happening when I did a cycle. The more I think about it, the more I feel Test E just doesn't work for me for some odd reason. I know others who are using the same gear with no issues, but have also switched from the E to the Cyp and got rid of all their similar symptoms. At this point you're now saying, "ok, so just make the switch to the Cyp and see how you feel." I won't be able to get it in time for my next 2 pins (tonight and sunday). I really don't want to continue to pin the Test E and wait for the Cyp to come in so I don't have any drops with my levels, but I don't think I can handle another week or so of feeling like. I can handle a lot of pain and feeling down n' out, but this is absurd. My question is, if it takes 1 week or 2 weeks to get the Cyp in, can I just wait and pin it when it comes in? Possibly front load at that point to get the levels back? Do I PCT in 2 weeks and then restart a few weeks later? Trying to avoid stopping and doing a PCT.

The batch could be mixed with EO as a blended carrier oil. The symptoms you mentioned is typical if your body is allergic to the EO. This has happened to several of my friends. Switch out to another batch that does not contain any EO.

[Lunk1]

Yes, you thinking I should ditch it and go to another? Or stick it out?

Your call. I cant determine from here but it sounds more like irritation than infection. I have switched providers recently and experience a bit of PIP 2-3 days after each pin. I didn't experience this with other providers I have used. I trust my provider very muchand the irritation goes away after a few days. My point is that you have to determine if it's a risk or just a PITA.

[ANIMAL]

The batch could be mixed with EO as a blended carrier oil. The symptoms you mentioned is typical if your body is allergic to the EO. This has happened to several of my friends. Switch out to another batch that does not contain any EO.

The brand has a separate Test E bottle that contains EO. Not sure why it would be be in my batch when you can purchase it the way you want it.

[ANIMAL]

Your call. I cant determine from here but it sounds more like irritation than infection. I have switched providers recently and experience a bit of PIP 2-3 days after each pin. I didn't experience this with other providers I have used. I trust my provider very muchand the irritation goes away after a few days. My point is that you have to determine if it's a risk or just a PITA.

I don't think it's an infection, more of an annoying irritation. But I did think of some type of an infection, possibly my body try to fight it since I was still experiencing the symptoms after 2 weeks or so. If I didn't have any flu like symptoms then I could deal with the irritation/PIP.

Today would be day 17.

[johnnymctrance]

I think its the carrier oil that u are reacting too... it cant be the test as u have it been on cycle before!

[Lunk1]

I think its the carrier oil that u are reacting too... it cant be the test as u have it been on cycle before!

So it's not possible that the test powder could come from a different supplier and contain contaminates, or that the BA/BB ratio's are off or that something happened during the brewing process that caused the gear to be more irritating?

[ghettoboyd]

im no doctor but it sounds like an infection to me if you still have a fever after 3 weeks and redness/swelling... I haven't read every post but im curious if you have seen a doctor...good luck...

[ANIMAL]

im no doctor but it sounds like an infection to me if you still have a fever after 3 weeks and redness/swelling... I haven't read every post but im curious if you have seen a doctor...good luck...

The redness/swelling lasts 3 days after pin, then goes away. As far as the favored term "test flu" by Lunk goes, I do believe by slacking on my vitamins and my body being more susceptible to sickness that I can't shake my symptoms. I don't believe the PIP/swelling is causing my sickness. My GF is also sick with the same symptoms and she's not on gear (to my knowledge lol), I think she caught it from me last week, and I re-caught it from her this past weekend. I am going to the DR tonight, just for this cold, not for the swelling.

The fever hasn't lasted 3 weeks. I was fine the first 2 pins, the 3rd pin I got the flu like symptoms, started feeling better by the 4th pin and 2 days after the 5th pin I got the flu like symptoms again. Tonight is pin 6, not 7.

I do have several bottles of my E, I wonder if I was to try a different bottle if it would matter or not.

[Lunk1]

I suspect that it's not gear related at all (except for the suppressed immune system lol) Zinc, Magn and Vit A 3X the rec dose for 7 days then run it at the proper dose through cold season.

[ghettoboyd]

The redness/swelling lasts 3 days after pin, then goes away. As far as the favored term "test flu" by Lunk goes, I do believe by slacking on my vitamins and my body being more susceptible to sickness that I can't shake my symptoms. I don't believe the PIP/swelling is causing my sickness. My GF is also sick with the same symptoms and she's not on gear (to my knowledge lol), I think she caught it from me last week, and I re-caught it from her this past weekend. I am going to the DR tonight, just for this cold, not for the swelling.

The fever hasn't lasted 3 weeks. I was fine the first 2 pins, the 3rd pin I got the flu like symptoms, started feeling better by the 4th pin and 2 days after the 5th pin I got the flu like symptoms again. Tonight is pin 6, not 7.

I do have several bottles of my E, I wonder if I was to try a different bottle if it would matter or not.

ohh ok now that I have the back story I understand...your right then its not an infection and maybe you where just sick to begin with if the gf is sick as well...3 days of pip isn't that bad I used to get that sometimes up to a week depending on the concentration of the compound...what is the dosage per ml of what you are running? you may have the same sensitivity to higher concentrated compounds like I have...

[Lunk1]

ohh ok now that I have the back story I understand...your right then its not an infection and maybe you where just sick to begin with if the gf is sick as well...3 days of pip isn't that bad I used to get that sometimes up to a week depending on the concentration of the compound...what is the dosage per ml of what you are running? you may have the same sensitivity to higher concentrated compounds like I have...

^^^^Agreed. The tren at 250mg gives me a few days of aggravation that I never received from 200mg.

[ANIMAL]

I suspect that it's not gear related at all (except for the suppressed immune system lol) Zinc, Magn and Vit A 3X the rec dose for 7 days then run it at the proper dose through cold season.

Assuming at this point my bill is in the mail.

[ANIMAL]

ohh ok now that I have the back story I understand...your right then its not an infection and maybe you where just sick to begin with if the gf is sick as well...3 days of pip isn't that bad I used to get that sometimes up to a week depending on the concentration of the compound...what is the dosage per ml of what you are running? you may have the same sensitivity to higher concentrated compounds like I have...

I've always used Test C 250mg per ML and did that 2x/week. This Test E I'm using is 300mg per ML and doing that 2x/week.

[Lunk1]

Yeah..thats a pretty high concentration. A lot of ppl will experience site pain and irritation from that. I have never used T400 but the reports I have heard from it are enough to make me stay away. Normal Test E is typically 200mg.

[Bert]

Yeah..thats a pretty high concentration. A lot of ppl will experience site pain and irritation from that. I have never used T400 but the reports I have heard from it are enough to make me stay away. Normal Test E is typically 200mg.

It's hit or miss really. I've had some painless t400 and I've had some that were nasty hurtful.

[kloter1]

The redness/swelling lasts 3 days after pin, then goes away. As far as the favored term "test flu" by Lunk goes, I do believe by slacking on my vitamins and my body being more susceptible to sickness that I can't shake my symptoms. I don't believe the PIP/swelling is causing my sickness. My GF is also sick with the same symptoms and she's not on gear (to my knowledge lol), I think she caught it from me last week, and I re-caught it from her this past weekend. I am going to the DR tonight, just for this cold, not for the swelling.

The fever hasn't lasted 3 weeks. I was fine the first 2 pins, the 3rd pin I got the flu like symptoms, started feeling better by the 4th pin and 2 days after the 5th pin I got the flu like symptoms again. Tonight is pin 6, not 7.

I do have several bottles of my E, I wonder if I was to try a different bottle if it would matter or not.

Yo i had the same exact thing going on when i was running t300, for three days after shooting i had huge swelling and some mild pain, headaches and fever like symptoms, after finishing it i verified that it was the EO and possibly BA content. Cyp200/250 is now what i go with every time, i couldnt imagine what t400 would be like!

[Art Vandelay]

Maybe the new brand has eo? Maybe you're sensitive to eo etc?

[Art Vandelay]

And if its truly flu like symptoms where you'd have a poor appetite and be vomiting etc you're better off coming off and starting pct if it lasts any longer...